Greatest Middleweight once and for all- Greb? Monzon? Hagler? - Page 10

Nightcrawler · 01-01-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Saintpat

I'm glad we settled this once and for all

exactly: kelly pavlik

turpinr · 01-01-2013, 04:29 AM

hagler
monzon

janitor · 01-01-2013, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleRed

Define middleweight.

Greb, or somebody of under 160lbs who is not as good!

burt bienstock · 01-01-2013, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by janitor

Greb, or somebody of under 160lbs who is not as good!

j , the ultimate description of a middleweight....

P.S. HE WAS THAT GOOD !

lufcrazy · 01-01-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-Bat

C'mon Luf. I'm a Hagler fan, but Marvin does not have a single win that even remotely compares with Greb's wins over Walker, let alone Gibbons and several others.

I rate the hearns victory above both.

janitor · 01-01-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I rate the hearns victory above both.

I find this incomprehensible.

lufcrazy · 01-01-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

I find this incomprehensible.

Probably because you can't comprehend it.

janitor · 01-01-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Probably because you can't comprehend it.

Not to take anything away from Hearns.

He was a great fighter at welterweight, jr middleweight and pound for pound, but did he realy do enough at middleweight to be classed as a great fighter at that weight, or career defining win?

Walker is one of the greatest middlweights who ever drew breath, and Gibbons is one of the greatest light heavyweights.

lufcrazy · 01-01-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

Not to take anything away from Hearns.

He was a great fighter at welterweight, jr middleweight and pound for pound, but did he realy do enough at middleweight to be classed as a great fighter at that weight, or career defining win?

Walker is one of the greatest middlweights who ever drew breath, and Gibbons is one of the greatest light heavyweights.

I'm starting to come round to the idea of placing more significance on a fighters abilities. Just something I'm mooting at the moment (my main reason for having Hagler first is achievement combined with a solid resume and a solid skillset)

I wouldn't necessarily say Hagler does have a better resume than Greb within the MW division by standard criteria but when you consider the h2h worth of an opponent at that weight I'm not sure Greb defeated anyone who I'd favour to beat Hearns.

As I said its not something I'm sold just something I'm beginning to consider. (fwiw i of course consider Walker a greater Mw than Hearns).

janitor · 01-01-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I'm starting to come round to the idea of placing more significance on a fighters abilities. Just something I'm mooting at the moment (my main reason for having Hagler first is achievement combined with a solid resume and a solid skillset)

I wouldn't necessarily say Hagler does have a better resume than Greb within the MW division by standard criteria but when you consider the h2h worth of an opponent at that weight I'm not sure Greb defeated anyone who I'd favour to beat Hearns.

As I said its not something I'm sold just something I'm beginning to consider. (fwiw i of course consider Walker a greater Mw than Hearns).

Even if we go by the head to head criteria, Hearns beating Walker seems improbable, and Hearns beating Gibbons seems highly unlikley.

lufcrazy · 01-01-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

Even if we go by the head to head criteria, Hearns beating Walker seems improbable, and Hearns beating Gibbons seems highly unlikley.

Id favour him over both in mw contests.

janitor · 01-01-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Id favour him over both in mw contests.

If I matched him against Mickey Walker, would you not pick Walker based on durability? Hearns didn't do to well at middleweight against people who could take his power.

red cobra · 01-01-2013, 03:21 PM

It's like this:
1. Monzon
2. Hagler
3. Greb
4. Whoever yoiu decide to choose....ditto all additional mentions.

Surf-Bat · 01-01-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

If I matched him against Mickey Walker, would you not pick Walker based on durability? Hearns didn't do to well at middleweight against people who could take his power.

Good point. Check out Juan Roldan and the success he had against Tommy. Hurt him and rushed him off his feet before his lack of durability (and Tommy's crippling power) sealed his fate. Walker would charge in the same way, but Mick was a man who took it from heavyweights. I doubt Hearns is going to stop his charges. He's going to find Walker rushing just as furiously in the mid to late rounds as the early. Not sure Tommy could handle that sort of pressure for so long.

red cobra · 01-01-2013, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-Bat

Good point. Check out Juan Roldan and the success he had against Tommy. Hurt him and rushed him off his feet before his lack of durability (and Tommy's crippling power) sealed his fate. Walker would charge in the same way, but Mick was a man who took it from heavyweights. I doubt Hearns is going to stop his charges. He's going to find Walker rushing just as furiously in the mid to late rounds as the early. Not sure Tommy could handle that sort of pressure for so long.

You make a good point as usual Surf-Bat.

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