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Originally Posted by dempsey1234

ok

In reality thats not true, Body shots are not scored as such now. Plus the scoring procedure has changed, Also when Headguards came in, it altered things a great deal. In the 30s there were 5 million Boxers in the States. Now most athletic Guys go into other Sports because of the money and Risk, same in Britain. Amatuers in the podium Bracket are on amazing money without paying percentages to anybody, so they stay amatuer longer.

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Originally Posted by scrap

In reality thats not true, Body shots are not scored as such now. Plus the scoring procedure has changed, Also when Headguards came in, it altered things a great deal. In the 30s there were 5 million Boxers in the States. Now most athletic Guys go into other Sports because of the money and Risk, same in Britain. Amatuers in the podium Bracket are on amazing money without paying percentages to anybody, so they stay amatuer longer.

The scoring changes all the time, you don't get points in the amateurs for glancing blows or pitter pat shots. Bodyshots do score when they are hard and clean, same as headshots. Headguards are gone next year and fyi boxing is one of the fastest growing sports in Britain, they've been very successful in recent years in the amateur game. Amateur boxing is also one of the safest sports in the world. USA amateur boxers go for the stick and move stylish style, that's not a successful style in amateur boxing anymore. Even Cuban boxers who use that style have been forced to adapt to a harder punching, pro style that gets rewarded now in the amateurs. That's why the slick boxing countries have fallen behind and the countries with the harder punching, more traditional style boxing are leading the amateur game (Eastern Europeans).

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Originally Posted by dealt_with

The scoring changes all the time, you don't get points in the amateurs for glancing blows or pitter pat shots. Bodyshots do score when they are hard and clean, same as headshots. Headguards are gone next year and fyi boxing is one of the fastest growing sports in Britain, they've been very successful in recent years in the amateur game. Amateur boxing is also one of the safest sports in the world. USA amateur boxers go for the stick and move stylish style, that's not a successful style in amateur boxing anymore. Even Cuban boxers who use that style have been forced to adapt to a harder punching, pro style that gets rewarded now in the amateurs. That's why the slick boxing countries have fallen behind and the countries with the harder punching, more traditional style boxing are leading the amateur game (Eastern Europeans).

Think youre making it up . In 1970 in Britain there were 125,000 carded Boxers, last year there were 19,000. American Fighters throw Combos its there style we and the Europeans are stick and move, Im pretty up on the Amatuer Scene in Britain, having worked with 17 national Champs and the national squad a few year back.

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Plus I cant sleep and Grumpy . Had some news.

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by dealt_with

The scoring changes all the time, you don't get points in the amateurs for glancing blows or pitter pat shots. Bodyshots do score when they are hard and clean, same as headshots. Headguards are gone next year and fyi boxing is one of the fastest growing sports in Britain, they've been very successful in recent years in the amateur game. Amateur boxing is also one of the safest sports in the world. USA amateur boxers go for the stick and move stylish style, that's not a successful style in amateur boxing anymore. Even Cuban boxers who use that style have been forced to adapt to a harder punching, pro style that gets rewarded now in the amateurs. That's why the slick boxing countries have fallen behind and the countries with the harder punching, more traditional style boxing are leading the amateur game (Eastern Europeans).

I agree USABOXING, has ruined amateur boxing in the US. Our boxers turn pro too early. This current crop of USA Olympians are totally underwhelming.
I really would like to learn about boxing in the UK, how it compares to to US boxing. What do you emphasize in training skill-wise. Where I live the emphasis is on body punching and power, more offense then defense. I would think they are more technical in the UK.
The UK puts US pro boxing to shame, the crowds and the support for your fighters is truly amazing. Ogogo turning pro with Goldenboy I dont know if that was the best idea. The UK would have done a better job, oh well time will tell.

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Originally Posted by dempsey1234

I agree USABOXING, has ruined amateur boxing in the US. Our boxers turn pro too early. This current crop of USA Olympians are totally underwhelming.
I really would like to learn about boxing in the UK, how it compares to to US boxing. What do you emphasize in training skill-wise. Where I live the emphasis is on body punching and power, more offense then defense. I would think they are more technical in the UK.
The UK puts US pro boxing to shame, the crowds and the support for your fighters is truly amazing. Ogogo turning pro with Goldenboy I dont know if that was the best idea. The UK would have done a better job, oh well time will tell.

Golden Boy are going to Promote in the UK.

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Originally Posted by scrap

Think youre making it up . In 1970 in Britain there were 125,000 carded Boxers, last year there were 19,000. American Fighters throw Combos its there style we and the Europeans are stick and move, Im pretty up on the Amatuer Scene in Britain, having worked with 17 national Champs and the national squad a few year back.

I don't know what you're talking about.. The GB squad is one of the strongest in the world, the statistics say that it's one of the fastest growing sports in Britain which is what happens when you have success and extra funding as the team does now. The Ukrainian team is the strongest in the world and none of their top guys are stick and move.. Lomachenko, Usyk, Khytrov, Berinchyk are all aggressive and throw combinations to the body and head. The USA boxers I've seen on the world stage haven't thrown combinations or gone to the body that I've seen apart from their welterweight at the last olympics, I forget his name.

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Originally Posted by dempsey1234

I agree USABOXING, has ruined amateur boxing in the US. Our boxers turn pro too early. This current crop of USA Olympians are totally underwhelming.
I really would like to learn about boxing in the UK, how it compares to to US boxing. What do you emphasize in training skill-wise. Where I live the emphasis is on body punching and power, more offense then defense. I would think they are more technical in the UK.
The UK puts US pro boxing to shame, the crowds and the support for your fighters is truly amazing. Ogogo turning pro with Goldenboy I dont know if that was the best idea. The UK would have done a better job, oh well time will tell.

I'm not from the UK so I can't tell you, I know they have a strong emphasis on their strength and conditioning program, no dig at you I don't really rate Ogogo, I've seen him rocked too many times as an amateur, doesn't bode well for the pro game.
The best amateur team in the world are the Ukrainians, all aggressive and throw combinations. Here's a video of their training, they seem to emphasise a lot of upper body movement. They also spend a lot of time doing things that aren't boxing specific, playing games and other sports just to improve general coordination and awareness. At 11:11 you can see their heavyweight gold medallist walking on his hands which I find pretty impressive.

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[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by dealt_with

I'm not from the UK so I can't tell you, I know they have a strong emphasis on their strength and conditioning program, no dig at you I don't really rate Ogogo, I've seen him rocked too many times as an amateur, doesn't bode well for the pro game.
The best amateur team in the world are the Ukrainians, all aggressive and throw combinations. Here's a video of their training, they seem to emphasise a lot of upper body movement. They also spend a lot of time doing things that aren't boxing specific, playing games and other sports just to improve general coordination and awareness. At 11:11 you can see their heavyweight gold medallist walking on his hands which I find pretty impressive.

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it's an eye opener thats for sure.

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by dealt_with

I don't know what you're talking about.. The GB squad is one of the strongest in the world, the statistics say that it's one of the fastest growing sports in Britain which is what happens when you have success and extra funding as the team does now. The Ukrainian team is the strongest in the world and none of their top guys are stick and move.. Lomachenko, Usyk, Khytrov, Berinchyk are all aggressive and throw combinations to the body and head. The USA boxers I've seen on the world stage haven't thrown combinations or gone to the body that I've seen apart from their welterweight at the last olympics, I forget his name.

Lomachenko definitely what a great pro he would make.

[RichC]

Originally Posted by dempsey1234

Lomachenko definitely what a great pro he would make.

I think they have a few in the current squad who will make good proffessionals.

Denys Berinchyk especially, very strong lad, plenty of heart and can box when he wants to. He's still a bit wild at this stage though.

[RichC]

Originally Posted by dempsey1234

Lomachenko definitely what a great pro he would make.

I heard a while ago that he will be going pro with APB (AIBA Proffessional Boxing) when he does turn over.

Anyone, heard anything recently?

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Originally Posted by RichC

I heard a while ago that he will be going pro with APB (AIBA Proffessional Boxing) when he does turn over.

Anyone, heard anything recently?

He's going to be involved in the semi-pro WSB this season then he plans to turn pro (proper pro) in 2014. I assume his team mates (Usyk, Khytrov and Berinchyk) will be doing the same. I don't see the APB getting off the ground.

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Originally Posted by dealt_with

I don't know what you're talking about.. The GB squad is one of the strongest in the world, the statistics say that it's one of the fastest growing sports in Britain which is what happens when you have success and extra funding as the team does now. The Ukrainian team is the strongest in the world and none of their top guys are stick and move.. Lomachenko, Usyk, Khytrov, Berinchyk are all aggressive and throw combinations to the body and head. The USA boxers I've seen on the world stage haven't thrown combinations or gone to the body that I've seen apart from their welterweight at the last olympics, I forget his name.

Britain is on the rise in the last 6 years, because of the Money they are throwing at it simple. Thats the Bottom line they can keep the Top Guys Amateur. Ukraine have always been Strong half the Russian squad came from there. Good bunch of lads had a couple of weekends with them in the early 80s.

[Matt Ldn]

Really interesting thread.

How hard is it to get into the boxing industry?? I mean as a young guy working his way up rather than coming in as a promoter straight away are there many jobs or is it a bit of a case of getting lots of experience of the sport then jumping in as a promoter/manager?