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Old 01-01-2013, 10:47 AM   #31
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More than anything, DeGale needs a new training team. Even having Dean Powell would be a massive improvement from that tool he calls a trainer right now. He's done nothing to bring Chunky along.

Groves looks to be growing quite well and has easily beaten the better opposition and beaten their common opponent in much better fashion. But that doesn't tell us much because of their very different styles.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:58 AM   #32
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Totally agree, I think he's got a bad habit of taking foot of the pedal and easing to victory when he could finish the job. He can look brilliant one minute and average the next and that's because he seems content to coast.

The finishing can be developed but it seems a part of game he's not developing sadly.

Yeah his concentration is up and down during the fight. The main criticism made against him after the Groves fight was that he couldn't adjust, I wonder if we'll see that problem again when he steps up his competition next year, can't tell when he's clearly too good for guys like Mouhamadi and Zuniga

He has good power, he could have stopped Zuniga. Shame he isn't working on his finishing
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:17 AM   #33
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Degale needs to get rid on McDonnell as soon as possible, I'm not sure he is going to realise this anytime soon though. Another loss will be the only thing I can really see having any influence on him though
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:51 PM   #34
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Hi mate, happy new year

I wonder why DeGale is taking breaks against the ropes? Is he working on that part of his game, or does he have stamina issues? It doesn't make sense, against Mohamaddi he dominated him with ease in the centre of the ring, showing great movement and combinations. Then DeGale would fall against the ropes, lie there and just get outworked. I can't see how it benefits his game? Same against Zuniga, he rocked him and dropped him when countering in the centre of the ring and letting his hands go, when he fell against the ropes he'd be ineffective.

Enzo would have DeGale fighting more aggressive, and utilising his physical talents, which would be great for him. DeGale also looks to have a solid chin as well



Agree, I had Groves up by a point, but a loss was not catastrophic for DeGale. What hurt him was the inactivity because of his contract disputes. I still think both guys could beat Arthur Abraham today. I think Stieglitz would be a good step up to world level for either fighter next year. Groves was getting hit more early in his career, but I think his defence has improved and he seems to be a good thinker in the ring, able to adjust. Is he ready for a world title fight next year?
Happy New year to you to.
Good post.
Steiglitz would be a fantastic fight for DeGale or Groves, but its a tough fight as Steiglitz has a very good workrate and throws alot of combinations.
I thought Steiglitz beat Abraham in a close fight.
I would favour DeGale and Groves over Abraham, but would like to see both have another couple of fights and then go for the titles
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Old 01-01-2013, 01:05 PM   #35
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At this present time i`d Groves is a head
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:57 AM   #36
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Not ttying to hijack the topic but where do you think Sutherland would be if he was still with us? God bless him.
For what its worth I think he would be right up there.When they both turned thought he could do better than James.Terrific boxer and a sportsman,came across as a nice lad.
Believe George and James are neck and neck,IMO the fight could easily have been a draw.Dont want to see another one yet,like Fury and Price like to see them go their own ways for a while.Both,I think,are capable of beating Abraham or Steiglitz though Georges tendency to cut is worrying.Must admit,hes the one Id like to succeed.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:07 AM   #37
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Degale, right now is getting put through the school of hard knocks.

These are tough fighters he's facing, with little fanfare, learning fights, hard 12 rounders, and I think that's what he needs. I will like to see him change trainer soon though.

Groves, is being built to challenge for a title soon.

I have high hopes for both
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:20 AM   #38
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They are both of a similar talent level but I feel that the Booth way of bringing fighters through is far superior. Its a very calculated, intelligent way of guiding fighters. I do think McDonnell gets too much criticism and think its due to him acting like Bertie Big Bollocks in the leadup to the Groves fight. He's not doing that bad; Degale is always in shape, is a fringe world level fighter and European champion.

However, Groves is destroying/dominating everyone he faces really (Degale aside). I felt the intelligent gameplan both before and during the Degale fight was enough to separate to very closely matched fighters.

Thing is Degale would be undefeated, wouldn't be going life and death with 'Pete the Pole's and have had far fewer miles on the clock if he was with Booth. Groves always comes ready mentally and physically, whereas I think Degale only comes ready physically.

Groves has done far better with a common opponent, has a better win (Johnson) and has a win over Degale (albeit razor thin).
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