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Old 01-02-2013, 03:50 PM   #7336
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Fighters aren't afraid of one another. They genuinely believe they can beat anyone.

The person who stopped the fight from happening was Bob Arum. Once one issue was resolved, immediately another one would rise, and every time the common factor was Bob Arum.

The drug testing was a ridiculous hang up to begin with, it wasn't a big deal until Pac's team made it one, but then later on decided that it wasn't a big deal.

Last year's debacle was just a flatout disgrace from Arum. Floyd calls out Pacquiao demanding more than a 50/50 split. Pacquiao openly agreed to it. When it came time to make it official, Pac refused anything less than 50/50. Arum, who already said Pac was going to fight May 5, the same day Mayweather called for, then suddenly pushed Pac's fight day back a month (to when Floyd was in jail) when he saw Floyd was very serious about making the fight happen.

He also wanted to go and build some massive stadium in a short amount of time, stating that's why they couldn't fight on May 5, which was even more ridiculous seeing how they could make just as much money at the MGM.

I could be wrong, but I believe common oponents between Maywather and Pacquiao have all said that Mayweather is actually much easier to negotiate with and more reasonable than Arum and Pac are.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:50 PM   #7337
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Who's demanding more money and new set of rules?, answer that and you will get your answer.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:51 PM   #7338
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make the contracted weight. those are in the rules. weight classes exist.
10 million dollar penalties aren't in the rules. pacquiao requested that.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:52 PM   #7339
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It's obviously Floyd.

Look at the situation.

EXAMPLE 1: TMT Promotion Company. Floyd and 50 cent would form their own promotion company to undercut Haymon and take in all the revenue. It was a brilliant idea, and 50 is a successful businessman and has the intelligence and street sense to carry this idea through. Floyd even went through the process of creating designer shirts and hats with the TMT logo and being photographed at every opportunity. Floyd and 50 were best friends for life in a frienship spanning nearly a decade.

Then it happened.

50 said, "Floyd the first avenue we're going to take to start off our tremendous money making business is to make the fight with Pacquaio."

And then it was a wrap.

Floyd is a such a shit talking little bitch that he destroyed a 10 year friendship over his refusal to fight Pacquaio despite saying time and time and time again that he would fight him.

Just like he said he would fight Margarito to his FACE.

Just like he said he would fight the winner of Martinez vs Williams.

But he's such a ****in coward that instead of fighting Pacquaio, undercutting Haymon, and going into business with his life long friend, he chose to betray his friendship and his company, and destroy his best friend's reputation.

Explain that.

EXAMPLE 2: The man calls himself "MONEY," yet when the welterweight division was heating up, he retired for 2 YEARS! He cost himself HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in potential earnings by retiring like the coward bitch he is.

Explain that.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:56 PM   #7340
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Fighters aren't afraid of one another. They genuinely believe they can beat anyone.
Fully agree with that statement. Fighters don't easily become boxers if they have fear of competition in their hearts. However, when certain fighters reach the heights necessary to headline, demand and make a lot of money they have to select opponents of their own choice. Fighters can literally die in that ring to reach that level and when they do, they want to milk it for as much as possible knowing that their careers won't last long. Please remember that reaching that level required fighting and beating the best opponents available, a fighter doesn't reach these levels fighting bums or carefully selected opponents.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:59 PM   #7341
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10 million dollar penalties aren't in the rules. pacquiao requested that.
What Pacquiao requested is reasonable, he didn't ask Mayweather to do something he wasn't expecting or prepared for nor did he implement new rules. Pacquiao knows the insane demand for this fight and agreed to fight even if Mayweather fails to make the official weight limit but with a serious penalty involved. It's not like Mayweather will have anything to worry about, if he can't make the welterweight limit he won't accept the fight anyway.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:04 PM   #7342
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What Pacquiao requested is reasonable, he didn't ask Mayweather to do something he wasn't expecting or prepared for nor did he implement new rules. Pacquiao knows the insane demand for this fight and agreed to fight even if Mayweather fails to make the official weight limit but with a serious penalty involved. It's not like Mayweather will have anything to worry about, if he can't make the welterweight limit he won't accept the fight anyway.
ok, so a ten million dollar penalty is reasonable, but osdt isn't? mayweather didnt try to implement any new rule. under the rules of boxing, PEDS are prohibited. mayweather was simply asking for better testing, which to me and many others, is more than reasonable. im sure u agree.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:06 PM   #7343
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Wow clearly boxing has better topics than the one that's been done 1000 TIMES AROUND here ..
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:06 PM   #7344
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What Pacquiao requested is reasonable, he didn't ask Mayweather to do something he wasn't expecting or prepared for nor did he implement new rules. Pacquiao knows the insane demand for this fight and agreed to fight even if Mayweather fails to make the official weight limit but with a serious penalty involved. It's not like Mayweather will have anything to worry about, if he can't make the welterweight limit he won't accept the fight anyway.
Please shut the **** up. How about asking for money you dont garner on your own like 50/50 when your highest payday was only like 15 million? But thats a a reasonable request as well. What about asking JMM for drug tests or no fight? Thats reasonable now isnt it and keep in mind JMM hasnt fought in 8 weight divisions. Youre a biased pacturd. Floyds 40 million offer phone call to Manny's house was the biggest attempt to make he fight out of both parties. Manny's best offer ever in his career.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:11 PM   #7345
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Obviously Mayweather. He never wanted the fight, even with all of his advantages. He would have made the most money ever in a fight, had the physical advantages (height, reach, overall size) and it would have clearly helped his legacy, if he would have won (I had him as the favorite). Instead he made excuses and tried setting his own rules, accusing Pac of ROIDS, trying to diminish his credibility and even had some racial insults along the way. Mayweather has always feared this type of aggressive fighter (not fear of the man but the L). But I also believe that Arum played a part. Pacquiao is just a puppet. You tell him to fight Goliath, and he's dumb enough to say yes.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:16 PM   #7346
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Obviously Mayweather. He never wanted the fight, even with all of his advantages. He would have made the most money ever in a fight, had the physical advantages (height, reach, overall size) and it would have clearly helped his legacy if he would have won (I had him as the favorite). Instead he made excuses and tried setting his own rules, accusing Pac of ROIDS, trying to diminish his credibility and even had some racial insults along the way. Mayweather has always feared this type of aggressive fighter. But I also believe that Arum played a part. Pacquiao is just a puppet. You tell him to fight Goliath, and he's dumb enough to say yes.
Its ok for Team Pac to do the same shit,minus being racist but claim JMM is on steroids? Pacturds. JMM should file a lawsuit for defamation of character and not agree to the tests as well as Manny. A bunch of you will be singing a new tune thats for sure.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:51 PM   #7347
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Back in 2009, when the bout was first proposed, Mayweather agreed to fight as long as osdt was in place. Team Pacquiao refused. Last year, Mayweather publicly called out Pacquiao and very clearly stated that he wanted the fight. To me, it's obvious that Mayweather has always wanted this fight. If the fight didn't get made when it mattered most, Pacquiao's team is to blame in my opinion. I don't see the OSDT as an obstacle unless youre hiding something. How is Mayweather to blame for the fight not being made? Let's hear it, Pactards...
It's not really Pacquaio's fault. It's Bob Arum. He sacrificed his whole Top Rank roster that was in Pacquiao's weight range for his own greedy benefit.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:55 PM   #7348
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Its ok for Team Pac to do the same shit,minus being racist but claim JMM is on steroids? Pacturds. JMM should file a lawsuit for defamation of character and not agree to the tests as well as Manny. A bunch of you will be singing a new tune thats for sure.
I thought we were talking about Mayweather vs Pac? I never said Pac's camp didn't do the same to Marquez AFTER. Same criticism goes for him. The difference is that Pacquiao fought Marquez. 4 Times haha. But I agree that Pac's camp was a joke for accusing marquez as well. it's obvious those mother****ers never lifted weights in their life or they'd realize it normal to gain muscle when you lift weights.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:57 PM   #7349
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Neither. Arum did all the ducking.
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:00 PM   #7350
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Who the **** cares anymore except retards from both sides that go...on...
and...on about the same bullshit. **** Off all of you retards!
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