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Old 01-03-2013, 08:41 PM   #46
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This guy makes Bert look evenkeel.
S, to make yourself seem more knowledgeable you have to demean me ?
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:46 PM   #47
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S, to make yourself seem more knowledgeable you have to demean me ?

You kinda had it comin there Bud!!!
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:37 PM   #48
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Fair play to him though. I admit it, straight up, I would change my list if i had him at #4 and found out he was going to be in the studio. I would move him to #2.
yeah, wouldn't mess with holmes
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:39 PM   #49
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Sigh. No Bert.

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Marciano
Lennox
Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson
Dempsey
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:43 PM   #50
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I actually felt sorry for Holmes being one of the few guys to turn up to the show to find out you're at the bottom.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:00 AM   #51
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Ranking Johnson over Marciano is just blasphemy...
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:01 AM   #52
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What's crazy is that's a p4p list not just heavyweight.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:52 AM   #53
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prime Ali was a very hard target to hit and was able to cut opponents to ribbons with his punches. Against Liston in fight one he ripped open his face, broke his nose and eye orbital bone all while finishing the fight completely unmarked.
I don't believe that.
Any proof of that ? A doctor's report etc.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:14 AM   #54
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I've never read anything like that either, and there were seven doctors in attendence to rule upon the shoulder.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:25 AM   #55
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S, to make yourself seem more knowledgeable you have to demean me ?
Muhammad Ali at a lowly ten does indeed make Bert Sugar look evenkeel. I meant no more, no less.

Also, I did not know you had multiple accounts? Why?
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:43 AM   #56
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I would never put Foreman in the top 10. He lost too much at the high level. Frazier and Norton were devastating wins, but is that enough for top 10? Maybe I am not sure, but many people rank Foreman higher because of his second career.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:46 AM   #57
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Even though I disagree with the list, the documentary was great. Although a bit factually inaccurate if I recall as burt makes no reference to Dempsey and Johnson avoiding black contenders. I'm sure he called Brennan, Fulton and Willard the best 3 HW fighters when Dempsey destroyed them.

He goes to great lengths explaining how Johnson chased burns all over the country yet skips the fact Langford did the same to him.

It was a great watch and probably the show that inspired me to delve into boxing history "how can all these be greater than Lewis" I remember asking.

Then I remember coming on here asking why some revered dempsey like a god and others thought he was smoke and mirrors. great documentary though.

Seeing him justify to Larry why he's bottom was classic. I'd have put him number 1 had he been sat there.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:48 AM   #58
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I would never put Foreman in the top 10. He lost too much at the high level. Frazier and Norton were devastating wins, but is that enough for top 10? Maybe I am not sure, but many people rank Foreman higher because of his second career.
I am pretty sure that near everyone ranks foreman higher due to his second career. Afterall he knocked out a top 5 hw at 46 to become a title holder once more.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:13 AM   #59
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Thats his HW list he did for ESPN. nOT A P4P LIST.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:40 AM   #60
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These are the p4p lists that I have from Sugar:

BERT SUGAR (2006):
1 Robinson
2 Armstrong
3 Pep
4 Louis
5 Greb
6 Leonard(B)
7 Ali
8 Duran
9 Dempsey
10 Johnson

BERT SUGAR (1984)
1 Robinson
2 Armstrong
3 Greb
4 Dempsey
5 Leonard (B)
6 Louis
7 Walker
8 Langford
9 Canzoneri
10 Ali
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