The all things technical thread.

[SkillspayBills]

I'd say those pads have there worth, Smaller target and fighters can punch either side. The pads are worked quicker as well i'd say, As slip says doesn't allow punching through target but if a fighter knows the objective of the pads is speed it shouldn't create to much issue.

[Slip!]

Yeah, mate. They're probabily using it for only speed and sharpness. Noticed he's always punching in combos with them, and not as hard. They may also create a better feeling than when the mitts are directly on someones hands. The danger seems to be that the trainer is pretty much coming to hit the fighters fists with them. As you say though, if the fighter/trainer knows whats going on and why he's using them, then it's all good. The problem would be if they're being used by someone who wasn't a seasoned pro and hadn't had his punching technique down pat. That's why i'm not always for starting kids on pads straight off.

[SkillspayBills]

Originally Posted by Slip!

Yeah, mate. They're probabily using it for only speed and sharpness. Noticed he's always punching in combos with them, and not as hard. They may also create a better feeling than when the mitts are directly on someones hands. The danger seems to be that the trainer is pretty much coming to hit the fighters fists with them. As you say though, if the fighter/trainer knows whats going on and why he's using them, then it's all good. The problem would be if they're being used by someone who wasn't a seasoned pro and hadn't had his punching technique down pat. That's why i'm not always for starting kids on pads straight off.

Agree totally Slip.

I saw your thread only other day about your training, I don't really venture much into training thread so missed it until i scrolled down.

How's it going?. Nice to see you went for it . I agree about the pads i don't think it's be all and end for kids. There's a lot of other aspects beginners miss out on such as balance, footwork and punch form among other things.

Think many people take forgranted the level of padwork and that kids on first night ever have enough trouble working out right from left let alone work out what pad to hit and how. Lot of things go through a kids mind in those early sessions.

Edit: Good luck btw mate . Making a difference .

[Slip!]

Originally Posted by SkillspayBills

Agree totally Slip.

I saw your thread only other day about your training, I don't really venture much into training thread so missed it until i scrolled down.

How's it going?. Nice to see you went for it . I agree about the pads i don't think it's be all and end for kids. There's a lot of other aspects beginners miss out on such as balance, footwork and punch form among other things.

Think many people take forgranted the level of padwork and that kids on first night ever have enough trouble working out right from left let alone work out what pad to hit and how. Lot of things go through a kids mind in those early sessions.

Edit: Good luck btw mate . Making a difference .

Thanks, bro. I hope i can make a positive impact.

It's going well. I was just dedicating a bit more time to it, always helped out for a couple nights. Tbh i'm finding it hard to get the time. What with family, work and other commitments, but we've got some great people in that gym, doing some awesome work and recently there's been a big uptake with lots of kids coming in, and a few girls too. The gym has been refurnished, so there more space and new equip.

With kids and the pads. I've seen guys taking them on there far too early. I like to teach them the basics, over and over and over. Make sure they know what they're doing before taking them on the pads. I believe repetition is the key to learning. I have them basically walking from one end to the other, in the right stance, pivoting properly on the turn, throwing punches correctly as they move. Basically, hands up. Keep feet moving properly, by stepping the right way and not foot over foot, and then moving the head.

With the pads, i think at an early stage, throwing as few punches as possible is the way to go. Combinations are more advanced and trying to throw combos early might cause them to get a few punches wrong in terms of the technique of it. I think before going on the pads a kids moves should be automatic already. They should have an understanding of what the counters are for every punch.

I think a fighter should fellow the trainer as he moves around the ring, if moving forward is what they're working on, and vice versa. The trainer should lift his right or left hand for just a second before putting it down again. As soon as his glove pops up, the fighter should jab it immediately. Fight simulation should be the objective, and reflexes to always be ready for throwing a jab and power punch as they move around the ring, keeping proper distance with the trainer. Not tying to look flash.

Then move on to things like, jab, right hand. Blocking the jab and countering back. 1, 2 and than slipping the counter hook etc.

Oh and you've just reminded me of that thread. Haven't even looked at much since starting it.

[SkillspayBills]

Nice stuff Slip .

Repetition is the mother of all learning .

[Slip!]

You getting into it too, bro? We need some of that knowledge to be passed down, SPB. Share that knowledge and start teaching.

Edit: I forgot, you still have intentions of maybe going pro yourself sometime, right?

[Jdsm]

Do you have any boxing experience Slip? I know you said you'd started coaching, just wondering if you boxed before?

I'd like to get in to a bit coaching, I'd like to think I've got some useful contributions to make; I'm not Manny Steward's white brother, but I've had a couple of mates that box competitively say that they enjoy working 1v1 with me because of little technical things I'll mention.

[SkillspayBills]

Originally Posted by Slip!

You getting into it too, bro? We need some of that knowledge to be passed down, SPB. Share that knowledge and start teaching.

Edit: I forgot, you still have intentions of maybe going pro yourself sometime, right?

Thanks Slip , I still have that desire to become a pro. But always said and espicially with a sport like boxing you got to do it right, proper and do yourself justice. I may go for it, got a bit on at the moment so it's hard to find a chance to do it but may have a fight or two. See what happens..

But i do love Boxing, I coach football but i find myself every day thinking boxing, talking it and wanting to teach boxing. I've taken a lad one on one on training to defend himself from bullies a few years back and teaching missus to hold hands up as well. I think someday in next 5-10 years i will head into a gym and go for it. I'm still learning now so hopefully in these years i can gain more knowledge and develop. I have a good start by knowing coaching techniques and understanding learning but want to develop a philosophy of coaching boxing. I always believe if there's no philosophy then your work doesn't have foundation and can't grow.

I like one on one aspect of boxing as well, mentoring people. With football you often talk to groups. Hard to get one on one with someone and talk to them on a level and just educate them on what they need to do.

What you guys do is a great service to the kids. Greatest sport in world and volunteers are a god send. Not many nowadays want to offer time for free.

[Arnie]

Anytime ur in the Manchester area ur welcome to do some technical work at my gym m8!

[Beeston Brawler]

I was in my local DW gym and a couple of Asian kids were messing about, play fighting really.

One of them planted his feet and threw one by accident, knocked his mate spark out.

Paramedics had to come

[SkillspayBills]

Slip you got yourself a job in Manchester with Arnie by looks . The power of ESB or Boxingforum24. Nah always be ESB to me .

[Slip!]

Originally Posted by Jdsm

Do you have any boxing experience Slip? I know you said you'd started coaching, just wondering if you boxed before?

I'd like to get in to a bit coaching, I'd like to think I've got some useful contributions to make; I'm not Manny Steward's white brother, but I've had a couple of mates that box competitively say that they enjoy working 1v1 with me because of little technical things I'll mention.

My dad took me to the gym at an early age. Boxed as an amatuer a few times, but nothing beyond that. Sparred countless rounds and still do, always loved sparring. But the thought/option of turning pro never really came up, fate took me in a different direction. I've studied, observed, got in the ring and tried to improve my boxing eyes.

You definitely know your stuff, mate. If you think you're ready, go for it and help out. The more good people teaching boxing the better.

[Beeston Brawler]

I still can't throw a left hook for toffee, feels really un-natural hitting the bag with one, unless it's a body shot - which I throw with my palms facing upwards.

[Slip!]

@ SPB. Thanks, bro.

It's never too late. You've seen some of the fighters who went pro late and achieved great things. It's funny because i really believe in fate and things happening for a reason. I think if someone is 'meant' to do something they will eventually find it, or it'll find them. I heard Peter Quillin the other day talking about how the kids he grew up with were more talented than him, he didn't even come close to them. But he's now a elite pro and the other are either dead, in prison, or just getting on with life. I hear the same thing from some footballers too. I heard Zlatan talking about how the area he grew up in had so many more gifted players than him.

People will say it comes down to dedication, focus and staying away from distractions, which is all true, but sometimes even with all those things fate takes it out of our hands.

[Slip!]

Originally Posted by SkillspayBills

Slip you got yourself a job in Manchester with Arnie by looks . The power of ESB or Boxingforum24. Nah always be ESB to me .

Lol.

Arnie, if that was addressed to me. It would be a pleasure and an honour.