Vlad Klitschko vs the following

[dinovelvet]

Prove it.

[dinovelvet]

Let orriray59 fight his own corner.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Like when you logged off when i asked how Wlad has declined since Haye.

No, I just made that last post and went to sleep.

I didn't say he declined since Haye, I said he has PHYSICALLY declined since Chagaev, almost half a decade ago. He's getting older now, more wear and tear, more stress on his body, etc.

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Prove it.

No way does a younger version of Wlad completely negate someone as explosive as Haye through movement, footwork and understanding of range. Just watch his fights throughout his career, he has declined a bit physically but his boxing iq is far higher. Less excitement, less early knockouts, but far far less risk. It would take a very specific style and attributes to beat present day Wlad.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Like when you logged off when i asked how Wlad has declined since Haye.

Somebody here needs gainful employment if they are checking on who is and isn't logged in.

Christ almighty.

[dinovelvet]

I have followed his career and i dont see it. Ill pull the punch stats against Wach and we'll see if hes declined or not.

[dinovelvet]

You reduced to insults again seamus. Your a pitty. What extra effort must somebody go to , to check online/offline status?

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

You reduced to insults again seamus. Your a pitty. What extra effort must somebody go to , to check online/offline status?

Because, you called me out for "avoiding" you by logging off. I, personally, have shit to do early in the morning and my waking life doesn't revolve around answering your questions.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

I have followed his career and i dont see it. Ill pull the punch stats against Wach and we'll see if hes declined or not.

What exactly do punch stats prove? That Wlad teed of on Wach, and not as much against Chagaev?

What exactly does that prove?

[ChrisPontius]

Originally Posted by orriray59

What exactly do punch stats prove? That Wlad teed of on Wach, and not as much against Chagaev?

What exactly does that prove?

It's called "setting up a strawman argument".

[dinovelvet]

What does it prove? It proves that in his last fight his workrate was at an all time high. The very opposite of being in decline.
You dont really know why you said he has declined ,probably just to argue with me , and now you're stuck in a corner not knowing where you are.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

What does it prove? It proves that in his last fight his workrate was at an all time high. The very opposite of being in decline.
You dont really know why you said he has declined ,probably just to argue with me , and now you're stuck in a corner not knowing where you are.

Oh lord, that is the most retarded fucking thing I've ever read. Seriously, I mean, what the fucking fuck.

Why don't you salvage Vitali Klitschko's punch stats against Kevin Johnson and Lennox Lewis? Believe he threw over 1,000 punches against Johnson, more than against Lewis. Must have never declined then.

[dinovelvet]

What?

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

What?

You're using punch statistics as evidence that he hasn't physically declined, not taking into account that each respective fight was against different opponents that led to different punch outputs due to differing dynamics.

In a nutshell, it holds no water. It's akin to using a much, much older Vitali Klitschko's punch statistics against Kevin Johnson to show that he hasn't physically declined since his fight against Lennox Lewis. Just a shitty argument.

[dinovelvet]

Are you stupid?