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Old 01-13-2013, 01:01 AM   #76
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is it asking too much for his ****ty management to plan his career a little better?
I agree, but the point is, this is not Wilder's fault. He fights whomever they put in front of him, and he fights often. He should get some CREDIT for this.

If GBP wants to get Wilder proper opponents, they are going to have to spend some serious money. Offer a large guarantee to the prospective opponent, win or lose.

Take a fighter like Price, or fury, or Jennings: What possible reason would they have for facing Wilder right now? If they win, there is no glory, and they would be facing a guy that, no matter how inexperienced, no matter how suspect some idiots think his chin is, can KO them with one punch, from either hand.

Go down the opposition-tier a little bit, and things don't really change. It doesn't even matter if you think he has skills or not. Wilder is all-risk / no reward.

There would have to be a HUGE payday, guaranteed. GBP would likely have to literally LOSE money on Wilder's next few fights, and evidently they aren't willing to invest in their product.
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And like I've said numerous times before, this is not just a problem with Wilder. The same situation holds true, to varying extents, for Price, Boytsov, and many other "dangerous but 2nd / 3rd tier fighters in all divisions.

It's a problem with the sport as a whole, but no one seems to want to discuss it much. Easier to just rag on the fighters, I guess, from behind your little computer keyboard.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:08 AM   #77
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I agree, but the point is, this is not Wilder's fault. He fights whomever they put in front of him, and he fights often. He should get some CREDIT for this.

If GBP wants to get Wilder proper opponents, they are going to have to spend some serious money. Offer a large guarantee to the prospective opponent, win or lose.

Take a fighter like Price, or fury, or Jennings: What possible reason would they have for facing Wilder right now? If they win, there is no glory, and they would be facing a guy that, no matter how inexperienced, no matter how suspect some idiots think his chin is, can KO them with one punch, from either hand.

Go down the opposition-tier a little bit, and things don't really change. It doesn't even matter if you think he has skills or not. Wilder is all-risk / no reward.

There would have to be a HUGE payday, guaranteed. GBP would likely have to literally LOSE money on Wilder's next few fights, and evidently they aren't willing to invest in their product.
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And like I've said numerous times before, this is not just a problem with Wilder. The same situation holds true, to varying extents, for Price, Boytsov, and many other "dangerous but 2nd / 3rd tier fighters in all divisions.

It's a problem with the sport as a whole, but no one seems to want to discuss it much. Easier to just rag on the fighters, I guess, from behind your little computer keyboard.
i agree its all golden boy at this point. i believe wilder wants real fights at this stage. i actually feel bad for him how they are ****ing him around
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:51 AM   #78
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Many heavyweights fought Greer as a test.

Oh I forgot,Wilder has to fight only top 5 fighters or he's a bum.

Forget the fact that Helenius has faced 1 decent fighter (Chisora and he lost)

Fury only fought one decent guy (Chisora)

Boytsov,9 years as a pro hasnt faced anyone of note.

Price,hasnt yet faced anyone

Arreola,fought Walker 100 years ago

Is everyone living in a fantasy? To be a contender these days,all you have to do is beat a few bums and have t hands.
im a Wilder fan but this is a joke, Price and Manswell were good opponents for him at the time but this guy got koed in 2 rounds by James toney and in 3 by Kevin Johnson, this is his 27th fight its impossible for him to get better as a boxer if hes gonna keep takin these easy fights, at least get him someone like Michael Sprott or Tupou or someone smallish
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:40 AM   #79
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Without reading I'm going to guess that someone is going to bring up Greer's 86.6% KO ratio, the fact that Wilder only fought a month ago and something about a lack of amateur experience to legitimize him facing another bum.
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:19 AM   #80
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im a Wilder fan but this is a joke, Price and Manswell were good opponents for him at the time but this guy got koed in 2 rounds by James toney and in 3 by Kevin Johnson, this is his 27th fight its impossible for him to get better as a boxer if hes gonna keep takin these easy fights, at least get him someone like Michael Sprott or Tupou or someone smallish
I'm not gonna go crazy worrying about stay busy fights
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:40 AM   #81
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Price will eventually be the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world when the Klitchkos retire.

Wilder would be nothing more than cannon fodder for him.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:51 AM   #82
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This has been done to death.

Wilder had **** all of a amateur career having only something close to 44 matches.

And you mentioning that America is the mecca of boxing makes little sense as has little to do with one individual fighter's skill level at that place in their career.
Mayweather only had 90 amateur matches. Is Wilder half as good? No. He's become a joke.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:54 AM   #83
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Actually, Wilder only had 32 amateur fights, FWIW.

32 whole fights, and he won the Golden Globes, made the Olympic team, & won a bronze medal.

He was KD'd by Harold Sconiers, who was basically a cab driver, but that was Wilder's 13th pro fight, and his 45th fight EVER. Yeah, he made a mistake. Then he got up & KO'd Sconiers in the 4th.

He's fought mostly bums, but he's had lousy management, he's too dangerous for most fighters to agree to fight him, and he needs to fight constantly to pay for his daughters huge medical bills.

Give the guy a ****ing break already.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:16 AM   #84
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Actually, Wilder only had 32 amateur fights, FWIW.

32 whole fights, and he won the Golden Globes, made the Olympic team, & won a bronze medal.

He was KD'd by Harold Sconiers, who was basically a cab driver, but that was Wilder's 13th pro fight, and his 45th fight EVER. Yeah, he made a mistake. Then he got up & KO'd Sconiers in the 4th.

He's fought mostly bums, but he's had lousy management, he's too dangerous for most fighters to agree to fight him, and he needs to fight constantly to pay for his daughters huge medical bills.

Give the guy a ****ing break already.
Yea, people (including me) often forget that.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:16 AM   #85
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32 fights then. Fine, it's not a lot, but he's had what, four years, five, as a pro? Nothing wrong with stay-busy fights, nothing wrong with being brought along gradually, but Wilder's pro career has shown very little progression, it's for the most part just a string of fat and/or short bums.

If you really, REALLY wanna bring up a lack of amateur career; Hopkins had less than Wilder, and by 26 fights into his pro career had already faced RJJr and had generally been facing a better standard of opposition than Wilder has. He then fought Glen Johnson a few fights later. Wilder really doesn't have too many good excuses.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:19 AM   #86
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To be a supposedly grade a undefeated prospect and be fighting the likes of Matthew Greer nearly 5 years into his career, it's an absolute joke. He either has the world's worst management team, or they have a damn good reason not to put him in with anyone good. Every time he takes a small step up he then goes back to fighting utter ****e, can't wait for him to be exposed in all honesty, shows everything wrong with boxing today
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:08 PM   #87
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To be a supposedly grade a undefeated prospect and be fighting the likes of Matthew Greer nearly 5 years into his career, it's an absolute joke. He either has the world's worst management team, or they have a damn good reason not to put him in with anyone good. Every time he takes a small step up he then goes back to fighting utter ****e, can't wait for him to be exposed in all honesty, shows everything wrong with boxing today
It's a ****ing stay busy fight, he fought a decent opponent for his own level 2 months ago, you wouldn't even expect most people to be back in the ring these days within that time, why does everyone have such a hard on for the kid?
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Fury or Price would end him inside 2
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It's a ****ing stay busy fight, he fought a decent opponent for his own level 2 months ago, you wouldn't even expect most people to be back in the ring these days within that time, why does everyone have such a hard on for the kid?
Stay busy fight for what?He'd rematch Dustin Nicholls in a circus tent and his fans would go ****ing ape.The guy has power ... big deal,other much more talented HW also have power and aren't making a career out of fighting the absolute dreggs the division has to offer.
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