Looking at The Ring LHW ratings, is Nathan Cleverly the best LHW! Looks that way

[realsoulja]

Originally Posted by bailey

Says the person who compared boxing highlights to football highlights

Like I said before, YDKSAH

Originally Posted by bailey

and puts up a designed bias thread,

A designed bias thread?

You mean the thread you made about Dzinziruk can beat Hearns?

Or that designed bias thread you made about Lucian Bute can beat Hopkins?

Or that designed bias thread you made about Felix Sturm possessing enough handspeed to "befuddle" Bernard Hopkins at MW

Originally Posted by bailey

which it evenmade a point of trying to note before the action started.

Yes, I made a prediction thread before the action started. You goofus aint that what you supposed to do, make a prediction thread before the action started.

Who makes a prediction thread after the action?

Originally Posted by bailey

Think you need a bit of help there as you self pwned, with a thread designed to be what your trying to argue it isnt after you put the thread up.
Once again, you seem confused. You called it life and death, just a few posts before

You dont know shit about life and death (YDKSALAD)

Originally Posted by bailey

Wasnt proven right either, but the real point was how you did a prediction thread, weeks before the fight, knowing it would not be on the first few pages of the forum at fight time, so you could hide if the prediction didnt come true.

I also made a prediction of the Ward vs Froch fight, maybe months earlier. However I was the one who re bumped the thread when I got my prediction wrong. YDKSALAD

Originally Posted by bailey

Thats what was weak, that act of coward there .

Go back to your thread about Lucian Bute vs Hopkins, and lets see you not act like a coward by responding to my points there. I always have responded to your points no matter how shitty they were, but you seem to run away.

Originally Posted by bailey

then thinking people didnt know of the thread, you start saying Braehmer shat himself.

What is the correlation between shitting yourself and having the chance to win?

[realsoulja]

Originally Posted by bailey

Yet Froch, Braehmer and Shumenov wouldnt go near him

But Hawk, Karpency and Krasniqi would go near him

Originally Posted by bailey

Hopkins has gone after Cloud who when you follow the form line...

Hopkins goes after Cloud, while Cleverly is forced to fight his mandatory Krasniqi.

Or do you think, Hopkins should wait another 8 - 12 months for Cleverly to be ready for a fight, instead Hopkins shows what a true legend is supposed to do, he remains active and takes on a world champion in the meanwhile.

[general zod]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Dawson's win over Hopkins is next to meaningless, it's clear to anyone that the Pascal fights took it all out of Bernard. The two times Dawson has stepped up to world level, he was beaten convincingly. Dawson has made his name beating up old men on the American domestic circuit, but has been found out at world level.

That same Pascal who beat Dawson, is ranked below two fighters Cleverly has already beaten. Unfortunately it looks like the top dogs don't want to give Clev a shot, as shown in that video with Frank, which is a shame because I'm sure Clev is sick of wasting his time with the Krasniqi's and Karpency's.

??????

That's just plain stupid. Hopkins never took a beating in either of those Pascal fights. The Hopkins that Dawson fought was about the same as the Hopkins who Calzaghe fought.

Pascal is no where near world class level. His on the same level as Rahman and Robin Reid. Contender level. Dawson had no business losing to someone like that. Dawson was in control of that fight at the end before Pascal hit him with an intentional headbutt which stopped the fight.

Dawson's lacklustre performance in the Ward fight was due to him being dead at the weight, not because he stepped up the competition

The only reason you are trashing Dawson is because Calzaghe blatantly ducked him

[general zod]

Originally Posted by realsoulja

Hopkins goes after Cloud,

I cant see that fight ending well for Hopkins. The dude is pushing 50

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by general zod

??????

That's just plain stupid. Hopkins never took a beating in either of those Pascal fights. The Hopkins that Dawson fought was about the same as the Hopkins who Calzaghe fought.

Pascal is no where near world class level. His on the same level as Rahman and Robin Reid. Contender level. Dawson had no business losing to someone like that. Dawson was in control of that fight at the end before Pascal hit him with an intentional headbutt which stopped the fight.

Dawson's lacklustre performance in the Ward fight was due to him being dead at the weight, not because he stepped up the competition

The only reason you are trashing Dawson is because Calzaghe blatantly ducked him

Pascal's very good, look at the ring magazine top 10, bar Hopkins, Pascal is capable of beating anyone there. Contender level? Look I don't care about your 'tiering systems' Pascal was a world champion, so make of that what you will.

I have to ask what does Calzaghe have to do with this? I think someone has an obsession

Better luck next time

[general zod]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Pascal's very good, look at the ring magazine top 10, bar Hopkins, Pascal is capable of beating anyone there.

The Ring Magazine rankings are just the opinions of the editors at the Ring. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are just plain wrong.

The best guy at lhw is Campillo

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Contender level? Look I don't care about your 'tiering systems'

Pascal is a amauterish fighter. You would know that if you bothered to watch him fight

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Pascal was a world champion, so make of that what you will.

That's just plain stupid.

The fact that he picked up a belt does not make him good. Plenty of sub-par fighters have picked up belts. The fact that he has lost twice to a near 50 year old fighter should tell you just how good he is.

Originally Posted by knockout artist

I have to ask what does Calzaghe have to do with this? I think someone has an obsession

Dawson at the end of the day took chances. Sometimes they paid off , sometimes they did not. He deserves much more respect than the frauds you so obviously like, like Calzaghe and Cleverly.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by general zod

The Ring Magazine rankings are just the opinions of the editors at the Ring. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are just plain wrong.

The best guy at lhw is Campillo

Pascal is a amauterish fighter. You would know that if you bothered to watch him fight

That's just plain stupid.

The fact that he picked up a belt does not make him good. Plenty of sub-par fighters have picked up belts. The fact that he has lost to a near 50 year old fighter should tell you just how good he is.

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Dawson at the end of the day took chances. Sometimes they paid off , sometimes they did not. He deserves much more respect than the frauds you so obviously like, like Calzaghe and Cleverly.

zod upset I'm not a fan of Chad Dawson


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[TED 822]

Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

All these Ring ratings at LHW are pure of shit ... Erdei is still unbeaten lineal champion.

Have been wondering why he hasnt been mentioned in any discussions.This is the first time.Saw him a fair while ago and was very impressed,a lot more so than the others,so whats happened to him?If not retired,would,imo,be a real test for Cleverly,who I like as a boxer.Is Erdei being avoided?

[TED 822]

Just checked his record.Last fought 2011.Could have retired undefeated.

[Honor]

Cleverley needs to step it up. Personally I think hes just a commercialized champion. But than again 175 is a poor division right now imo.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by Honor

Cleverley needs to step it up. Personally I think hes just a commercialized champion. But than again 175 is a poor division right now imo.

Agreed, no-one wants to see the Krasniqi fight

According to FW, it was Shumenov who agreed to terms then backed away, that's a fight I'd like to see

I don't blame Froch or Hopkins for not fighting Clev though, I don't think Nathan brings enough money for these guys.

I don't think it's so much Clev's fault though, he fought Bellew in Liverpool, cancelled a fight in October to go fight in America to build his profile, he's been making the right noises about the big fights, but boxing is politics and never easy hence why we the fans have missed out on so many great matchups over the years

[bailey]

Apologies for the long delay
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Originally Posted by realsoulja

Like I said before, YDKSAH

So you comparing match of the day, to a bias boxing highlight video . Think in your delusion YDKSAH

A designed bias thread?

You mean the thread you made about Dzinziruk can beat Hearns?

Or that designed bias thread you made about Lucian Bute can beat Hopkins?

Or that designed bias thread you made about Felix Sturm possessing enough handspeed to "befuddle" Bernard Hopkins at MW

I did actually mean the bias highlight video you put up, which even makes a point of noting itself before the action, and you compare that to match of the day . Theres few words for that stupidity

Yes, I made a prediction thread before the action started. You goofus aint that what you supposed to do, make a prediction thread before the action started.

Lets get the whole story together now . You made a thread, a long way in advance, knowing that it would be long gone off of the front ESB pages, saying you would bump it, if you got the result you predicted, which all the while was admitting that you would be hiding from your prediction if it didnt come to fruition. A shameful act of coward, that you know to be true, from the way you have become so defensive. Truly shameful

Who makes a prediction thread after the action?

Lance_uppercut

You dont know shit about life and death (YDKSALAD)

Lets look at your quotes on the fight

Here is highlights of Nathan Cleverly going life and death with Morrade Hakkar brethren Nadjib Mohammedi.

Obviously Cleverly-Mohammedi was no war,

Your quotes and brutal selfpwnage at its best

[dinovelvet]

How many rounds did you give Cleverly against Bellew?

[bailey]

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Originally Posted by general zod

The Ring Magazine rankings are just the opinions of the editors at the Ring. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are just plain wrong.

Agreed they are just opinions and often bias, based on who the writers are getting to witness

The best guy at lhw is Campillo

Who lost and drew with Murat, who Cleverly dominated and took the 0 of. Campillo was out on his feet in the return with Murat at the end

Pascal is a amauterish fighter. You would know that if you bothered to watch him fight

so your tier system that has faults in it and where you chop and change your opinion to suit.
That system that said if Ward beat Bute, it would be over a better prime SMW than any Calzaghe fought , yet now you have backtracked about all that since, and as you dont rate Froch as world class, when he ran ward close, you seem to be falling all over yourself

That's just plain stupid.

The fact that he picked up a belt does not make him good. Plenty of sub-par fighters have picked up belts. The fact that he has lost twice to a near 50 year old fighter should tell you just how good he is.

He didnt lose twice. He did put Hopkins down twice

Dawson at the end of the day took chances. Sometimes they paid off , sometimes they did not. He deserves much more respect than the frauds you so obviously like, like Calzaghe and Cleverly

What chances do you refer to?
Dawsons best win is over a 47 year old Hopkins who Calzaghe beat years previously, or do you go by the fact that Dawson couldnt beat a fighter, who above you dont rate

[seansanashee]

Originally Posted by bailey

Looking at The Ring LHW ratings, is Nathan Cleverly the best LHW!

I dont tend to go by the Ring mag ratings, but I was browsing recently at the ratings and was shocked by what I saw.

Dawson is considered Ring champ, but only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Hopkins at #1 also only has one win over one of the Ring LHW top 10 fighters and a loss to another

Cloud placed at number 2 has a disputed win over #3 Campillo.

Campillo at #3 has a loss and a draw with #6 Murat

Now this is where it gets very interesting
Cleverly at #4 has taken the 0 off of two of the Ring mags top 10 fighters, numbers 6 & 9 and #5 wouldnt fight him. #6 took the 0 of #3, and #8 pulled out of fighting Cleverly.
So Nathan beat undefeated #6 Murat, undefeated #9 Bellew, #5 Shumenov wouldnt fight him and #8 Braehmer pulled out against him, #1 Hopkins didnt seem interested in fighting him and #10 Pascal has just struggled with a Cleverly 4th round stoppage victim.
Nathan has done more than people realise
Number 10, Pascal has beaten Dawson, but recently was fighting a Cleverly leftover last month and couldnt stop a fighter Nathan handled and in 4 rounds, yet Pascal put Hopkins down twice.

4. Nathan Cleverly
5. Beibut Shumenov
6. Karo Murat
7. Isaac Chilemba
8. Juergen Braehmer
9. Tony Bellew
10. Jean Pascal


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Seems Cleverly is arguably the best LHW of today

Looking at the ring magazine rankings, Cleverley is #5 LHW in the world.