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Old 01-17-2013, 07:57 AM   #16
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Default Re: Real Reason for Ali Liston 2 ? Not a dive?

Not forgetting the most important part...

Genuine punch or not there was no way Liston was going to win that fight regardless of what shape he was in or how determined.

I rate Liston very highly h2h but at that stage of their careers Ali was just too much for him to handle.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:04 AM   #17
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Not forgetting the most important part...

Genuine punch or not there was no way Liston was going to win that fight regardless of what shape he was in or how determined.

I rate Liston very highly h2h but at that stage of their careers Ali was just too much for him to handle.


Most definitely.

Ali was a force that totally befuddled Liston. In and out of the ring.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:34 AM   #18
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I've yet to see any conclusive proof it's a dive.

Once you get past the idea of Liston being a monster it ain't too hard to envision.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:57 AM   #19
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Liston's on the canvas rolling around and saying,"Can I get up now?"..I've seen better acting in the WWF-WWE...TOTAL FRAUD...
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:16 PM   #20
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Oh, where is Senor Pepe!?
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:18 PM   #21
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The whole thing stinks to high heaven.. and not a good smell mind you
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:20 PM   #22
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Was just discussing this in another forum tonight. The circumstances around this fight stunk to high hell which is why it ended up in a rinky dink auditorium in Lewiston, Maine, not New York or even Miami. There was a belief that is was to be a dirty fight so when an odd outcome occured it seemed to fulfill that belief.
I want to know what sites you're cheating on us on... NOW!!!
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:25 PM   #23
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Liston's on the canvas rolling around and saying,"Can I get up now?"..I've seen better acting in the WWF-WWE...TOTAL FRAUD...
Thats what im saying!..
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:38 PM   #24
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Ridiculous dive.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:40 PM   #25
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Most definitely.

Ali was a force that totally befuddled Liston. In and out of the ring.
Agreed. Liston knew he had no real chance of winning that fight. He got tagged and got scared. He gave up mentally.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:47 PM   #26
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Agreed. Liston knew he had no real chance of winning that fight. He got tagged and got scared. He gave up mentally.

Ali had done a fair bit of canvas time leading up to the fight and Liston was more than capable of taking punishment to win a fight, see the Williams fight. Liston was scared most likely by the consequences of him owing unresolved debts to people that he shouldn't be mixed up with.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:29 AM   #27
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There is a slow motion video of the Ali Liston knockdown. When Ali lands the punch you can see the shock go through Listons body.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:58 AM   #28
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There is a slow motion video of the Ali Liston knockdown. When Ali lands the punch you can see the shock go through Listons body.

BORKED
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:12 AM   #29
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LOTS of evidence it was no dive:

1) Listons legs twitch while he lay on the canvas.
2) Minutes after the fight was stopped and crowds are pouring in the ring Liston does a studder step to one side.
3) Listons trainers alone with Liston in his dressing room after the fight stated that Liston asked for smelling salts.
4) No evidence was ever found that a fix indeed occurred.
5) Liston was hit on the chin while stepping foreword thus increasing the punches power.
6) Listons lead foot was lifted off the canvas from the force of Ali's blow.
7) Liston trained like a demon for the fight. You don't get into that great of shape knowing its a fix.
Those at ringside who actually saw the punch stated it was a true KO..Torres, Patterson, Damato among others.
Ali did not act alone. Keep your eye on the grassy knoll during thei fight.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:43 AM   #30
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yeah posters forget about the slow motion film of ali's punch and the effect it had. it was a good timed shot that liston didn't see.
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