When you look at Ricky Burns' K.O% you would think he couldn't K.O a fly, so..? - Page 2

JonnyBGoode · 01-17-2013, 06:03 AM

I think it depends on how hard Burns chooses to hit personally. Against Mitchell he was saying after only the second round to Billy in the corner "I'm getting through" and realised that his punches were having on effect on Mitchell so he stepped it up and started to plant his feet.

Against Katsidis and Martinez he hardly threw a single shot that had what I would call bad intentions. He just threw clipping, scoring shots, but with no real venom in them. It's like he had accepted that he probably wasn't going to KO either of them and realised that their punches may hurt him more than the other way around so he just landed the quick point scoring shots rather than the heavy punches.

He definitely hits harder at LW though and if he gets through with a few against Vazquez who is to say he won't follow up and maybe finish him off!

BoxingAnalyst · 01-17-2013, 07:13 AM

He's not feather fisted but his power is average.

BlackBrenny · 01-17-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGoode

Against Katsidis and Martinez he hardly threw a single shot that had what I would call bad intentions.

and even then he still hurt both guys on occasion, Katsidis to the body then head, and he sent Martinez wobbling back to his corner after one sustained attack

Rabbie1980 · 01-17-2013, 11:44 AM

I'm not being unfair in saying that he does not have one punch knock out power.

He is a combination puncher. and nobody can say his combinations, when they land, lack power.

I think he could take down anyone with a good 3 or 4 punches, landed on the button.

Amazing one · 01-17-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by brown bomber

He's a really big lad there was nothing between us size wise when I was 10stone and I was big for the weight... How he got to 9/4 ill never know.

I think he's changed a lot since the early days, he's matured and I've never seen anyone graft like him in the gym. Billy's done a great job bringing him back- that's not to say his original gym has nothing to with his success - they set the foundations but sometimes a change is as good as a rest and the change to Billy Nelson proved a great move for him.

I'd love to know your thoughts on this match up with Vasquez?

Robert · 01-17-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by billy nelson

Cant you answer that yourself Robert?
Hes went from losing the British title twice, to an undefeated commonwealth and two weight world champion since hes changed his style,self explanitory really isnt it robert

defo he is different fighter but its just good hear other people opinions on things, what would you say is the biggest change you have made in his style, he seems to be fighter whom can raise his level to the quality of fighter he is fighting. Do you if they will be fighting for the ring title?

nick_1204 · 01-17-2013, 12:56 PM

Its more to tdo with styles you fight at.

Ricky is a big guy and i bet he hits just as hard as some of the harder hitting lightweights. But its about how you fight.

I dont think he needs to be a ko artist. He is big and strong at the weight which should make up for that. He should be able to push opponents back and use his strengths

Nipple · 01-17-2013, 01:05 PM

He's no Nigel Benn, that's for sure.

PityTheFool · 01-17-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nipple

He's no Nigel Benn, that's for sure.

Neither was Pernell Whittaker,but he managed just fine.

achillesthegreat · 01-17-2013, 01:53 PM

Burns has not always been a top fighter, thus you cannot assess his ability on his whole career but since he has become a top fighter. He is currently in form and you must base him off of this i.e. the durability of the people he has fought, how many people he has stopped etc

DOM5153 · 01-17-2013, 06:47 PM

A few things that count against Burns when rating his power is that he doesnt sit down on his punches that often, his gmaeplan usually involves outboxing his opponent rather than taking their head off. I think his power is average even if his record doesnt suggest it, he certainly got Martinez's and Katsidis' respect. Loading up on punches is just not the way he gets things done, that said his jab is quite underated, i rank it amongst the best in the world at the moment.

SuspiciousChees · 01-17-2013, 06:58 PM

Katsidis was there to be stopped. Marquez did it, Guerrero could have done if he went for it.

PityTheFool · 01-17-2013, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

Burns has not always been a top fighter, thus you cannot assess his ability on his whole career but since he has become a top fighter. He is currently in form and you must base him off of this i.e. the durability of the people he has fought, how many people he has stopped etc

Perfectly put Achilles.Even three years ago,99% of fans would've scoffed at the suggestion he'd be competing for the top spot at 135.
Now he's the most improved fighter in Europe and should really be judged from Martinez onwards.

billy nelson · 01-18-2013, 04:10 AM

Ricky isnt a one punch ko artist but what he is improving on weekly is his timing and shot selection added to the volume of punches he throws the LW are in big trouble

PUG · 01-18-2013, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonny5-9

Countdown until Billy comes into this thread and tells us he is the hardest hitting puncher ever in 5, 4, 3 . . . . ..

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01-17-2013, 06:03 AM	#16
JonnyBGoode Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The Bush Posts: 846 vCash: 500	Re: When you look at Ricky Burns' K.O% you would think he couldn't K.O a fly, so..? I think it depends on how hard Burns chooses to hit personally. Against Mitchell he was saying after only the second round to Billy in the corner "I'm getting through" and realised that his punches were having on effect on Mitchell so he stepped it up and started to plant his feet. Against Katsidis and Martinez he hardly threw a single shot that had what I would call bad intentions. He just threw clipping, scoring shots, but with no real venom in them. It's like he had accepted that he probably wasn't going to KO either of them and realised that their punches may hurt him more than the other way around so he just landed the quick point scoring shots rather than the heavy punches. He definitely hits harder at LW though and if he gets through with a few against Vazquez who is to say he won't follow up and maybe finish him off!
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Rabbie1980 Contender ESB Jr Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 106 vCash: 500	Re: When you look at Ricky Burns' K.O% you would think he couldn't K.O a fly, so..? I'm not being unfair in saying that he does not have one punch knock out power. He is a combination puncher. and nobody can say his combinations, when they land, lack power. I think he could take down anyone with a good 3 or 4 punches, landed on the button.
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nick_1204 Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 337 vCash: 500	Re: When you look at Ricky Burns' K.O% you would think he couldn't K.O a fly, so..? Its more to tdo with styles you fight at. Ricky is a big guy and i bet he hits just as hard as some of the harder hitting lightweights. But its about how you fight. I dont think he needs to be a ko artist. He is big and strong at the weight which should make up for that. He should be able to push opponents back and use his strengths
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DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: norfolk england Posts: 8,167 vCash: 7562	Re: When you look at Ricky Burns' K.O% you would think he couldn't K.O a fly, so..? A few things that count against Burns when rating his power is that he doesnt sit down on his punches that often, his gmaeplan usually involves outboxing his opponent rather than taking their head off. I think his power is average even if his record doesnt suggest it, he certainly got Martinez's and Katsidis' respect. Loading up on punches is just not the way he gets things done, that said his jab is quite underated, i rank it amongst the best in the world at the moment.
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