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Old 01-18-2013, 01:34 AM   #31
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That guy is clearly a good 30 pounds smaller than Dempsey.

And for the record Ive never been convinced that Burt is actually and old "old time nutbag."

How many 80+ year olds do you guys know who troll the internet on boxing forums?
LT, Be convinced. I AM...And I have never "trolled"....We live til we die, and I still love boxing history since i was a young pup,and lived next door to a trainer of the great John Henry Lewis...
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:46 AM   #32
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So did Shannon Briggs.
yeah..and he was actually a pretty big hitter, but he never won the legitment heavyweight championship of the world by smashing the **** out of its legitment champion.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:13 AM   #33
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yeah..and he was actually a pretty big hitter, but he never won the legitment heavyweight championship of the world by smashing the **** out of its legitment champion.
A bigger hitter than Dempsey would you say?
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:28 AM   #34
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were the gloves any bigger by the time of Louis?
I think they went up to 6 ounce gloves by then, at least for championship fights.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:30 AM   #35
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Dempsey has plenty of first round knock outs...enough that it seems to suggest he was a pretty big hitter.
Look at who he was fighting though. Most of these people were complete bums with no real boxing training.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:20 AM   #36
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A bigger hitter than Dempsey would you say?
if you measured the punch force with a accurate rocky 4 type machine..i wouldnt be suprised if he was.


however, lots of things come into boxing..if you get angles and hit guys when they dont expect/see it you will knock guys out with shots that wouldnt otherwise stop them.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:35 AM   #37
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Look at who he was fighting though. Most of these people were complete bums with no real boxing training.
well, firpo was 2 but he was a legit contender, 25-2. Of course dempsey did run throw a string of guys in one round who were no hoppers. Gunboat smith was 2, he was a legit guy and carl morris was 1 and legit. Fred Fulton 1st round...


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Dempsey hit me hardest, 'cos Dempsey hit me two hundred eleven thousand dollars' worth, while Louis only hit me thirty-six thousand dollars' worth."
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:42 AM   #38
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That sparring partner was hopelessly outgunned.

It's something to tell the grandchildren about, for sure.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:11 PM   #39
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If gloves made such a difference why were there not many heavyweights from that day with so many Kos and first round Ko's? Why were there not many heavyweights during Louis time with such destructive power as he wore 5 and 6 oz gloves? Dempsey wore 5 oz gloves, Louis wore 5 and 6 oz, Marciano 6 oz, Ali 6 and 8 oz. Dempsey, Louis and Marciano were all time KO punchers and they would have been so whether they wore 5 oz or 8 oz gloves.
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Interestingly there is a clip within that video that shows the end of the Dempsey/Sharkey bout from a completely different angle than the film that is typically shown. It was filmed by Pathe France. Obviously they must have filmed the entire bout and what a FIND if this was ever to come to lite! HOWEVER I did contact them regarding this and their film of the Firpo fight (they were there also) and they told me all they had was that short clip of the Sharkey fight and that was it. Someone somewhere must have them unless like other nitrate films they have destroyed themselves over time.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:30 PM   #41
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I don't see how people can view him as some huge hitter.. most of his KO's weren't one punch shots.. they were accumulation KO's..
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:58 PM   #42
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If gloves made such a difference why were there not many heavyweights from that day with so many Kos and first round Ko's? Why were there not many heavyweights during Louis time with such destructive power as he wore 5 and 6 oz gloves? Dempsey wore 5 oz gloves, Louis wore 5 and 6 oz, Marciano 6 oz, Ali 6 and 8 oz. Dempsey, Louis and Marciano were all time KO punchers and they would have been so whether they wore 5 oz or 8 oz gloves.

You don't think gloves make a difference? Go and do some sparring and find out if gloves make a difference.

I's not just the weight, which is mostly negligible, it's the padding which makes the difference.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:05 PM   #43
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I own a pair of Everlast 6 oz and 8 oz gloves. VERY little difference and if you think this level of difference is going to make a difference with crushing punchers like Dempsey, Louis and Marciano your deluding yourself. These are legendary all time punchers we are talking about here.
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I own a pair of Everlast 6 oz and 8 oz gloves. VERY little difference and if you think this level of difference is going to make a difference with crushing punchers like Dempsey, Louis and Marciano your deluding yourself. These are legendary all time punchers we are talking about here.

Yes, try going and comparing gloves from the turn of the century or the fifties to a modern padded 10 oz glove. Noticeable difference in sharpness and accuracy. You own them that's nice, try doing an experiment where you are using them.

I didn't say it would completely reduce their power, but you are deluding yourself if you don't think it makes a difference.
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