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Old 01-18-2013, 07:18 AM   #31
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Talk to me about Yory Boy Campas. Why would he get the nod over someone like, I don't know, Carlos Zarate or Vicente Saldivar? It's rare I see him among the top 10 of any ATG Mexican list.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:23 AM   #32
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You see the one inch punch he dropped Trinidad with? That should put him at no.1 alone. But not fighting Lennox Lewis let's him down.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:26 AM   #33
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You see the one inch punch he dropped Trinidad with? That should put him at no.1 alone. But not fighting Lennox Lewis let's him down.
He did also beat a man by the name of Cassius Clay.

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Old 01-18-2013, 07:29 AM   #34
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Wow!

In all seriousness I'd take Saldivar as 4th and Canto 5th. After that? Not in that serious a mood today I'm afraid.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:30 AM   #35
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Wow!

In all seriousness I'd take Saldivar as 4th and Canto 5th. After that? Not in that serious a mood today I'm afraid.
My list wouldn't be too dissimilar.

1. Marco Antonio Barrera

2. Erik Morales
3. Julio Cesar Chavez
4. Ruben Olivares
5. Enrique Sanchez
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:40 AM   #36
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I hate ranking JMM though.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:50 AM   #37
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Sanchez' best wins were better, but Ruben had the overall deeper resume. Ruben was incosistent while Sal was very disciplined, but at thier very best i have to say Ruben was the better fighter with the superior skill set IMO.

I gotta go with El Puas, just barely tho...i have them at #2 (Olivares) and #3 (Sanchez) in my Mexican ATG list, Julio being #1 of course.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:51 AM   #38
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Wow!

In all seriousness I'd take Saldivar as 4th and Canto 5th. After that? Not in that serious a mood today I'm afraid.
Exactly how i have it!
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:06 AM   #39
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I think Sanchez's great wins are rather thin, Gomez coming up in weight Lopez dynamite puncher who could be outboxed without too much trouble, one dimensional Laporte, novice Nelson,and a split dec over Cowdell. If Olivares had stayed in the shape Sanchez was always in ,this thread would not even be viable imo.

79 kos in 89 wins?
While I agree Lopez was made for Sanchez, it only took one punch for Lopez to turn around a fight, and more often than not he did. Those Sanchez - Lopez fights were superb masterclass efforts.
One dimensional Laporte is a guy Pedroza (apparently in his mind) had to cheat to beat. Sanchez handled him relatively easily. (Fair play - Pedroza handled Patrick Ford more easily than Sanchez did).
Gomez was the clear favorite coming in against Sanchez and deemed to be nearly unbeatable. Sanchez destroyed him. Subsequent fights revealed Gomez to not be the same fighter at 126, but what did his destruction at the hands of Sanchez take out of him?
I honestly don't think any version of Nelson beats Sanchez. He was always wide with his punches and that wasn't going to fly against Sanchez. He was a good boxer but I do not believe he had the agility to box with Sanchez. I just don't think a more mature Nelson makes much difference with Sanchez.
The Cowdell fight is sketchy for Sanchez. Certain styles did trouble him a bit more but he always pulled them out.

Having said all that, I don't have a problem with Olivares being ranked higher. Sanchez did enough in his short time but probably does benefit a little from nobody having seen him past peak. So I think in this instance it's fair to evaluate Olivares before all the inconsistency came into play.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:39 AM   #40
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Laporte was anything but one dimensional. A lazy, inconsistent bastard, yeah, but he was still a very talented, well rounded boxer-puncher. Sanchez vs Laporte from memory was a very good fight and pretty competitive despite Laporte being quite green at the time imo. Pedroza took on the harder, more experienced version who was coming off the brilliant ko of Lockridge.
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Talk to me about Yory Boy Campas. Why would he get the nod over someone like, I don't know, Carlos Zarate or Vicente Saldivar? It's rare I see him among the top 10 of any ATG Mexican list.
He had alligator arms. Seriously, the shortest arms of any human being walking the earth.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:32 AM   #42
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He had alligator arms. Seriously, the shortest arms of any human being walking the earth.
I bet he still threw with better technique than Sal.
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I bet he still threw with better technique than Sal.
People marvelled at his "short hooks" while never mentioning that's the only kind he could throw. I'll say this for him; he couldn't loop a punch if his life depended on it.
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Laporte was anything but one dimensional. A lazy, inconsistent bastard, yeah, but he was still a very talented, well rounded boxer-puncher. Sanchez vs Laporte from memory was a very good fight and pretty competitive despite Laporte being quite green at the time imo. Pedroza took on the harder, more experienced version who was coming off the brilliant ko of Lockridge.
Valid points, but Lockridge just had an insane gameplan against Laporte. Laporte was loading up on his punches against the charging, reckless Lockridge unlike anything I've seen from a featherweight. Gil Clancy called the fight and pretty much predicted what was going to happen. Despite the fight only lasting two rounds it was pretty obvious the way Lockridge was charging in. Styles make fights.
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Sanchez gets stripped of credit because he beat Gomez's ass and probably took something out of him in the process. Too bad few felt 'moving up' would make a bit of difference if at all prior to the fight or that Gomez was favored or that if you wanted to slate for having to scale up the impossible 4 lbs, he probably didn't even actually make 126 on the scales.

And I'll take green and in athletic prime over a faded or shot incarnation in almost every instance. Nelson's a great fighter, he was great in the fight, Sanchez had the experience, and little clue who Azumah was coming in as a substitute. Could've very well been blindsided and overwhelmed, but overwhelmed wasn't in his vocabulary.
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