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Old 01-18-2013, 12:35 PM   #16
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And McCoy was a pound for pound type of puncher who made Ring Magazine's top 100 punchers of all time.
but nothing in evidence shows the type of power shots to body and head that Quarry showed us vs Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster and others and lets face it Sharkey nor any of his contemporary's fought anyone one that could punch like Jerry or his trophy's = Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster not even the great J.J.
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And McCoy was a pound for pound type of puncher who made Ring Magazine's top 100 punchers of all time.
Did he hit as hard as Mac Foster,Earnie Shavers, or Ron Lyle ?
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but nothing in evidence shows the type of power shots to body and head that Quarry showed us vs Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster and others and lets face it Sharkey nor any of his contemporary's fought anyone one that could punch like Jerry or his trophy's = Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster not even the great J.J.
Jeffries, Fitzsimmons and Maher couldn't hit as hard as Quarry?

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Iron Man Sharkey was dropped by 158lbs McCoy ,and twice stopped by small light heavy Fitzsimmons.I don't think its a given he could weather Quarry's punches.
Remember that Fitz regularly stopped guys Quarry's size. No problem.

McCoy stopped HWs too (and from what I've understood that supposed 158 lbs was stated, not official). You will notice that nobody was questioning Sharkey's durability or chin after McCoy dropped him. No suggestions of "Maybe that Sharkey wasn't as tough as we thought...after all, McCoy dropped him...". Very telling.

Keep in mind also that these knockdowns happened after 3 rounds of McCoy- a brutal and precise timing puncher in the Fitzsimmons mold- pounding him while Sharkey tried futilely to "box" with his more agile foe. Let McCoy pound on just about any HW of that era for 3 rounds without a return and there's a good chance they will go down too.
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but nothing in evidence shows the type of power shots to body and head that Quarry showed us vs Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster and others and lets face it Sharkey nor any of his contemporary's fought anyone one that could punch like Jerry or his trophy's = Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster not even the great J.J.
Mendoza's agenda is to build up Sharkey because he twice went the distance with his idol Jeffries.
Sharkey may have beaten Quarry, but don't look for a rational objective argument from Mendozy to convince you.
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Jerry was always smarter than Tom.....


It was said of Sharkey that when he opened a saloon he spent a week crawling under the batwing doors before he figured out how to get past them. Tough yes! Bright no!
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but nothing in evidence shows the type of power shots to body and head that Quarry showed us vs Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster and others and lets face it Sharkey nor any of his contemporary's fought anyone one that could punch like Jerry or his trophy's = Lyle,Shavers,Mac Foster not even the great J.J.
Watch Quarry vs Brassell. Brassel who has but 5 ko's in 25 fights, really had Quarry in trouble in round one. I do not think Shavers lasted long enough to land anything significant on Quarry, and IMO the stoppage could be viewed as pre-mature.

I never saw Quarry vs Mac Foster, so no comment there.
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Mendoza's agenda is to build up Sharkey because he twice went the distance with his idol Jeffries.
Sharkey may have beaten Quarry, but don't look for a rational objective argument from Mendozy to convince you.
Laughable, but your agenda is to diminish Jeffries and other white fighters of the time.

I pick who I think wins. Black, white, yellow or green do not apply.
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Laughable, but your agenda is to dimes Jeffries and many other white fighters of the time.
My agenda is to dimes ?
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It was said of Sharkey that when he opened a saloon he spent a week crawling under the batwing doors before he figured out how to get past them. Tough yes! Bright no!
Quarry was dumb as nails. His self awareness in the ring cost him, and he " forgot " to pay his taxes " during his career. Quarry was game and stubborn, but hardly smart.

Sharkey wasn't a rocket scientist, but he was a better thinker in the ring. Read his auto bio and you'll see he wasn't a dunce.
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Remember that Fitz regularly stopped guys Quarry's size. No problem.

McCoy stopped HWs too (and from what I've understood that supposed 158 lbs was stated, not official). You will notice that nobody was questioning Sharkey's durability or chin after McCoy dropped him. No suggestions of "Maybe that Sharkey wasn't as tough as we thought...after all, McCoy dropped him...". Very telling.

Keep in mind also that these knockdowns happened after 3 rounds of McCoy- a brutal and precise timing puncher in the Fitzsimmons mold- pounding him while Sharkey tried futilely to "box" with his more agile foe. Let McCoy pound on just about any HW of that era for 3 rounds without a return and there's a good chance they will go down too.
How about the weights for Choynski 158lbs , McCormack 159lbs and Thorne 157.75lbs , are they all wrong too? I question Sharkey's durability after he was twice one punch stopped by a light heavyweight and dropped twice by a middleweight.

My point is Quarry could do what McCoy did, to suggest otherwise is farcical.

Please name all these heavyweights McCoy kod.I'll give you ODonnell,who else?
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Quarry was dumb as nails. His self awareness in the ring cost him, and he " forgot " to pay his taxes " during his career. Quarry was game and stubborn, but hardly smart.

Sharkey wasn't a rocket scientist, but he was a better thinker in the ring. Read his auto bio and you'll see he wasn't a dunce.
Sharkey a better thinker in the ring , read the writeups of his fights, he was so out of control he himself did not know what he would do next.
You are a joke.
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Laughable, but your agenda is to diminish Jeffries and other white fighters of the time.

I pick who I think wins. Black, white, yellow or green do not apply.
You are in dire need of an English coach, is it your second language?
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