****decades surveys 1 - 2000-2009 survey closed - chart added****

[Rumsfeld]

FYI - I am pushing the deadline up for this first survey, and officially going back to the 1930-1939 period, not the 1900-1909 period. So it will ultimately be a 9 survey series.

SO THE NEW OFFICIAL DEADLINE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SURVEY IS JANUARY 30, 2013, 12:00am EST

[Rumsfeld]

As I said, can't wait to see the results for this one, and that got me thinking how interesting (and dare I say "fun") it will be to go through the 90s, and then the 80s and 70s.

Just randomly thinking....the 70s will have a strong bias towards HW fights (for obvious reasons), and then we have the Fab 4 in the 80s along with Tyson, and that had me thinking Tyson-Douglas was actually the 90s, which is next up.

My mind is already inadvertently throwing fights I love into different decades, and thinking of all the possibilities in the next 3.

McGrain, I wonder if this will be another case of diminishing returns, or if this in fact winds up more closely resembling a bell curve.

[BoppaZoo]

1. Diego Corrales v Jose Luis Castillo
2. Isreal Vazquez v Rafale Marquez 3
3. Barrera v Hamed
4. Barrera v Morales 1
5. Gatti v Ward 1
6. Tyszu v Judah
7. Pacquiao v Marquez 1
8. Isreal Vazquez v Rafael Marquez 2
9. Pacquiao v Cotto
10. Casamayor v Katsidis

[OvidsExile]

Casamayor v Katsidis. Didn't that one have a come from behind knockout victory after dual knockdowns and someone being knocked out of the ring? Nice call, BoppaZoo.

[DemolitionDan]

1. Diego Corrales TKO10 Jose Luis Castillo I
2. Erik Morales SD12 Marco Antonio Barrera I
3. Oscar De La Hoya TKO11 Fernando Vargas
4. Somsak Sithchatchawal TKO10 Mahyar Monshipour
5. Erik Morales UD12 Manny Pacquiao I
6. Juan Manuel Marquez TKO9 Juan Diaz I
7. Carl Froch TKO12 Jermain Taylor
8. Israel Vazquez SD12 Rafael Marquez III
9. Juan Manuel Marquez Draw12 Manny Pacquiao I
10. Micky Ward MD10 Arturo Gatti I

[DemolitionDan]

Hmm, that's a pretty tough. For me, I can safely say that's my top 3...everything else could easily be interchangeable. I feel bad that I didn't include one Cotto fight. He's been quite a few thrillers against Torres, Judah, Mosley, etc. Hopkins-Trinidad, Trindad-Vargas, Calzaghe-Kessler, etc. etc. among many, many others, all could have been in the top 10 as well. I don't know, tough call a lot of hairsplitting had to be done.

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

In-Ji Chi vs Michael Brodie

Which fight?

I'm assuming the first, but please clarify.

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by OvidsExile

Casamayor v Katsidis. Didn't that one have a come from behind knockout victory after dual knockdowns and someone being knocked out of the ring? Nice call, BoppaZoo.

Reading through these, I'm being reminded of a lot of good fights that weren't immediately springing to mind for me (like that one).

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by DemolitionDan

Hmm, that's a pretty tough. For me, I can safely say that's my top 3...everything else could easily be interchangeable. I feel bad that I didn't include one Cotto fight. He's been quite a few thrillers against Torres, Judah, Mosley, etc. Hopkins-Trinidad, Trindad-Vargas, Calzaghe-Kessler, etc. etc. among many, many others, all could have been in the top 10 as well. I don't know, tough call a lot of hairsplitting had to be done.

Agreed, but I'm digging the variety mixed in with the true powerhouses that immediately come to mind. I think it's a pretty interesting collaboration so far.

[Rumsfeld]

(Names in Gold have already been officially logged)

1. the cobra
1. Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez III
2. Erik Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera I
3. Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo I
4. Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez I
5. Mickey Ward vs Arturo Gatti I
6. Somsak Sithchatchawal vs Mahyar Manshipour
7. Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez II
8. Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez II
9. Mickey Ward vs Emmanul Augustus
10. Felix Trinidad vs Fernando Vargas

2. McGrain
01 - Israel Vasquez-Rafael Marquez III
02 - Israel Vasquez-Rafael Marquez I
03 - Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez I
04 - Micky Ward-Arturo Gatti I
05 - Jose Morales-Manny Pacquiao I
06 - Juan Manuel Maruez-Manny Pacquiao II
07 - Erik Morales-Antonio Barrera I
08 - Manny Pacquiao KO2 Ricky Hatton
09 - Bernard Hopkins UD12 Kelly Pavlik
10 - Lennox Lewis TKO6 Vitali Klitschko

3. lufcrazy
Antonio Margarito v Miguel Cotto 1
Juan Manuel Marquez v Juan Diaz 1
Diego Corrales v Jose Luis Castillo 1
Israel Vasquez v Rafael Marquez 3
Micky Ward v Arturo Gatti 1
Rafael Marquez v Israel Vasquez 1
Arturo Gatti v Micky Ward 3
Marco Antonio Barrera v Erik Morales 1
Juan Manuel Marquez v Emmanuel Pacquiao 1
Somsak Sithchatchawal vs Mahyar Manshipour

4. PhillyPhan69
01 Erik Morales vs Manny Pacquaio I
02 MAB vs Erik Morales I
03 Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu
04 Miguel Cotto vs Paulie Malignaggi
05 Jaun Manuel Marquez vs Manny Pacquaio II
06 Shane Mosley vs Antonio Margarito
07 Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto I
08 Bernard Hopkins vs Felix Trinidad
09 Manny Pacquaio vs Juan Manuel Marquez I
10 Israel Vasquez vs Rafa Marquez III

5. Dinamita85
01 Marco Antonio Barrera v Erik Morales 1
02 Arturo Gatti v Mickey Ward 1
03 Juan Manuel Marquez v Juan Diaz 1
04 Miguel Cotto v Antonio Margarito 1
05 Israel Vazquez v Rafael Marquez 3
06 Miguel Cotto v Ricardo Torres
07 Israel Vazquez v Rafael Marquez 2
08 Erik Morales v manny Pacquiao 2
09 Bernard Dunne v Ricardo Cordoba
10 Diego Corrales v Jose Luis Castillo

6. orriray59
1: Jose Luis Castillo vs. Diego Corrales I
2: Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez I
3: Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez I
4: Erik Morales vs. Marco Antonio Barrera I
5: Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez III
6: Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams I
7: Erik Morales vs. Manny Pacquiao I
8: Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad
9: Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez II
10: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Juan Diaz I

7. bladerunner
1- Marco Antonio Barrera v Erik Morales I
2- Jose Luis Castillo v Diego Corrales I
3- Somsak Sitchatchawal v Mayhar Monshipour
4- Micky Ward v Emmanuel Burton
5- Oscar Larios v Israel Vazquez II
6- Juan Manuel Marquez v Juan Diaz I
7- Erik Morales v Manny Pacquiao I
8- Julio Gonzalez v Julian Letterlough
9- Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez I
10- Felix Trinidad v Fernando Vargas

8. OvidsExile
1. Arturo Gatti vs Mickey Ward I
2. Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales I
3. Israel Vazquez vs Rafael Marquez II
4. Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez I
5. Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez I
6. Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales III
7. Israel Vazquez vs Rafael Marquez III
8. Arturo Gatti vs Mickey Ward III
9. Mickey Ward vs Emmanuel Augustus
10. Bernard Dunne vs Ricardo Cordoba

9. Vic-JofreBRASIL
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez I
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez II
Somsak Sithchatchawal vs Mahyar Manshipour
Diego Corrales vs JL Castillo
Felix Trinidad vs Fernando Vargas
Elvir Muriqi vs Sam Ahmad
Arturo Gatti vs Micky Ward I
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz I
In-Ji Chi vs Michael Brodie
Acelino Freitas vs Jorge Barrios[/quote]

10. Zakman
1. Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo I
2. Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez I
3. Arturo Gatti vs Micky Ward I
4. Erik Morales vs. Marco Antonio Barrera I
5. Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez III
6. Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez I
7. Antonio Margarito v Miguel Cotto 1
8. Erik Morales vs. Manny Pacquiao I
9. Mickey Ward vs Emmanuel Augustus
10. Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez II

11. Rumsfeld
1. Erik Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera 1
2. Arturo Gatti vs Micky Ward 1
3. Diego Corales vs Jose Luis Castillo 1
4. Manny Pacquiao vs Erik Morales 2
5. Bernard Hopkins vs Felix Trinidad
6. Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez 2
7. Israel Vazquez vs Rafael Marquez 3
8. Shane Mosley vs. Oscar De La Hoya
9. Sergei Liakhovich UD Lamon Brewster
10. Lennox Lewis TKO6 Vitali Klitschko

12. Drew101
1. Sithchatawal-Monshipour
2. Vasquez-Marquez III
3. Vasquez-Marquez II
4. Barerra-Morales I
5. Barrera-Morales III
6. Gatti-Ward I
7. Ward-Burton
8. Corrales-Castillo 1
9. Toney-Jirov
10. Cotto-Torres

13. kirk
1 - Morales vs Pac 1
2 - Trinidad vs Vargas
3 - Mab vs Morales 1
4 - Rafa vs Vasquez 1
5 - Ward vs Gatti 1
6 - Pac vs JMM 2
7 - Corralles vs Castillo 1
8 - Ward vs Burton
9 - Cotto vs Torres
10 - Toney vs Jirov

14. Tackleberry
1. . Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo
2. Eric Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera I
3. Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vazquez III
4. Micky Ward vs Arturo Gatti I
5. Micky Ward vs Emanuel Augustus
6. Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez II
7. Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez I
8. Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz I
9. Eric Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera III
10. Somsak Sithchatchawal vs Mahyar Monshipour

15. Mr Butt
1.barrera/morales I
2.i.vasquez/r.marquez III
3.lewis/vitali klit
4.i.vasquez/r.marquez I
5.corrales/Castillo I
6.moore/macklin
7.ward/augustus
8.froch/pascal
9.ward/gatti I
10.calzaghe/lacy

16. Icemmann
1. Trinidad vs Hopkins
2. Jones vs Ruiz
3. Morales vs Barrera I
4. Corales vs Castillo I
5. Trinidad vs Vargas
6. Gatti vs Ward
7. Mosley vs Forrest
8. Tzsyu vs Judah
9. Jones vs Tarver II
10. Hamed vs Barrera

17. BoppaZoo
1. Diego Corrales v Jose Luis Castillo
2. Isreal Vazquez v Rafale Marquez 3
3. Barrera v Hamed
4. Barrera v Morales 1
5. Gatti v Ward 1
6. Tyszu v Judah
7. Pacquiao v Marquez 1
8. Isreal Vazquez v Rafael Marquez 2
9. Pacquiao v Cotto
10. Casamayor v Katsidis

18. DemolitionDan
1. Diego Corrales TKO10 Jose Luis Castillo I
2. Erik Morales SD12 Marco Antonio Barrera I
3. Oscar De La Hoya TKO11 Fernando Vargas
4. Somsak Sithchatchawal TKO10 Mahyar Monshipour
5. Erik Morales UD12 Manny Pacquiao I
6. Juan Manuel Marquez TKO9 Juan Diaz I
7. Carl Froch TKO12 Jermain Taylor
8. Israel Vazquez SD12 Rafael Marquez III
9. Juan Manuel Marquez Draw12 Manny Pacquiao I
10. Micky Ward MD10 Arturo Gatti I

[PhillyPhan69]

I see that many/most people are bigger on the Gatti-Ward fight(s) than I am...so far in 15 of the lists it has been included...I guess it lies in the eye of the beholder, but I don't believe it would make my top 20-30??? Oh well, to each their own....Since I seem to enjoy the Hatton-Tszyu fight, more than most, maybe I should just be quiet and leave well enough alone!

Somsak Sithchatchawal TKO10 Mahyar Monshipour...I must plead ignorance and claim that I have never seen it...a situation I will rectify over the weekend...I have heard people talking about it for a few years, but it has somehow slipped beneath my radar.

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

I see that many/most people are bigger on the Gatti-Ward fight(s) than I am...so far in 15 of the lists it has been included...I guess it lies in the eye of the beholder, but I don't believe it would make my top 20-30??? Oh well, to each their own....Since I seem to enjoy the Hatton-Tszyu fight, more than most, maybe I should just be quiet and leave well enough alone!

Somsak Sithchatchawal TKO10 Mahyar Monshipour...I must plead ignorance and claim that I have never seen it...a situation I will rectify over the weekend...I have heard people talking about it for a few years, but it has somehow slipped beneath my radar.

The Gatti Vs Ward battles are pretty entertaining!!...Where the hell you been Philly!?....Good to see you.

[the cobra]

Looking at the lists, I still don't really get all the Vasquez-Marquez I calls. Nice fight, of course, but II and particularly III were far better by my recollection. KD aside, I remember it as being somewhat of a Rafa showcase. Pretty anti-climatic ending, too. I'll be happy to revisit the series pretty soon though, so I'll see if I'm missing something.

[OvidsExile]

Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

I see that many/most people are bigger on the Gatti-Ward fight(s) than I am...so far in 15 of the lists it has been included...I guess it lies in the eye of the beholder, but I don't believe it would make my top 20-30??? Oh well, to each their own....Since I seem to enjoy the Hatton-Tszyu fight, more than most, maybe I should just be quiet and leave well enough alone!

Somsak Sithchatchawal TKO10 Mahyar Monshipour...I must plead ignorance and claim that I have never seen it...a situation I will rectify over the weekend...I have heard people talking about it for a few years, but it has somehow slipped beneath my radar.

I rewatched Somsak Sithchatchawal TKO10 Mahyar Monshipour because it was fight of the year and it's been getting so many votes here. It failed to impress me again. It has volume action but not quality action, and it just isn't anywhere near an even fight. I was never in doubt about the ending since Sithchatchawal was so much better than Monshipour. Monshipour kept up a constant barrage, and he gets credit for heart and persistence, but only one in five (possibly less) of his punches were landing clean. Sithchatchawal was just like block, duck, slip, roll, counter the whole fight and everything he threw connected.

The first Gatti/Ward fight may have actually been the first fight I ever watched. I remember thinking the two of them would both die in the ring that night. Constant back and forth action and the ninth round was a doozy. It made me a fan for life. I was on my feet just roaring at the tv from maybe the fifth round on. Good chins and poor defense is one recipe for a great fight. It also helps to have a visual aid to measure the damage being done, and Gatti's head would cut or swell up like a beach ball if you even looked at him wrong. People love those bloody mask fights.

When I look back at the Gatti/Ward fight I can see why some people rate other more technical fights higher, and that is definitely an important factor. But it's not just about the technical level, or even the volume and pacing of a fight. There are also certain intangibles to consider like, are the fighters giving everything they have and going all out? Are they throwing with bad intentions? And then both fighters should also have a sort of leading man quality, like an actor, that makes them fun to watch. I've seen guys that were first class technically but didn't have that certain telegenic quality, or who's fights never had half the heat in them of a Gatti or Ward fight.

Originally Posted by the cobra

Looking at the lists, I still don't really get all the Vasquez-Marquez I calls. Nice fight, of course, but II and particularly III were far better by my recollection. KD aside, I remember it as being somewhat of a Rafa showcase. Pretty anti-climatic ending, too. I'll be happy to revisit the series pretty soon though, so I'll see if I'm missing something.

I second that opinion. The unsatisfying ending kept it from being as good as 2 or 3.

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by OvidsExile

The first Gatti/Ward fight may have actually been the first fight I ever watched. I remember thinking the two of them would both die in the ring that night. Constant back and forth action and the ninth round was a doozy. It made me a fan for life. I was on my feet just roaring at the tv from maybe the fifth round on. Good chins and poor defense is one recipe for a great fight. It also helps to have a visual aid to measure the damage being done, and Gatti's head would cut or swell up like a beach ball if you even looked at him wrong. People love those bloody mask fights.

When I look back at the Gatti/Ward fight I can see why some people rate other more technical fights higher, and that is definitely an important factor. But it's not just about the technical level, or even the volume and pacing of a fight. There are also certain intangibles to consider like, are the fighters giving everything they have and going all out? Are they throwing with bad intentions? And then both fighters should also have a sort of leading man quality, like an actor, that makes them fun to watch. I've seen guys that were first class technically but didn't have that certain telegenic quality, or who's fights never had half the heat in them of a Gatti or Ward fight.

Great stuff!