Who is higher in your ATG rankings - Vicente Salvidar or Carlos Ortiz?

anj · 01-18-2013, 08:08 PM

Vicente Salvidar:
Jose Legra
Howard Winstone
Johnny Famechon
Mitsonori Seki
Sugar Ramos
Ismael Laguna
Famous losses: Eder Jofre, Shibata
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Carlos Ortiz:
Nicolino Locche (yes, Carlos won)
Ismael Laguna
Sugar Ramos
Flash Elorde
Duilio Loi 1 (lost the rivalry)
Other VERY solid contenders
Famous losses: Duilio Loi, Carlos Teo Cruz, (Ken Buchanan doesn't count, Carlos was completely shot), all other losses were avenged

1. Who is higher and
2. Where do you rate the one you rate highest, in your ATG rankings

For me, I am starting to think Carlos Ortiz could be in my Top 50 ATG (near 50 ish).
His only real loss to me, is Ortiz-Loi 3.

anj · 01-19-2013, 06:55 AM

lol no one?

mcvey · 01-19-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by anj

lol no one?

Ortiz for me.

Tin_Ribs · 01-19-2013, 07:11 AM

Probably Ortiz for me too due to his greater longevity and number of fights. They're both among my very favourites. I might chip in later with something more in depth....

Flea Man · 01-19-2013, 07:13 AM

Ortiz is in the 28-32 bracket for me. Saldivar in the 50-60 I imagine. I'm not sure why they're that far apart though to be honest other than Saldivar's more short and sweet record (and of course the two ace scalps he picked up straight off the bat in his comeback, was competitive with Shibata as well so no shame there, Shibata was super quick) I really, really rate Ortiz mind and have been much more impressed with certain wins on Saldivar's record the more I look into 'em. He's one of the greatest feathers of all time IMO. Ortiz one of the greatest lightweights and has the wins over Locche and Loi.

Ianian58 · 01-19-2013, 09:38 PM

I'd out Ortiz 37-30, Saldivar close but below Ortiz in the low forties. Maybe I just like Ortiz too much.

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01-18-2013, 08:08 PM	#1
anj Fuck The Judges ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Durham/Essex, England Posts: 2,026 vCash: 300	Who is higher in your ATG rankings - Vicente Salvidar or Carlos Ortiz? Vicente Salvidar: Jose Legra Howard Winstone Johnny Famechon Mitsonori Seki Sugar Ramos Ismael Laguna Famous losses: Eder Jofre, Shibata ---------------------- Carlos Ortiz: Nicolino Locche (yes, Carlos won) Ismael Laguna Sugar Ramos Flash Elorde Duilio Loi 1 (lost the rivalry) Other VERY solid contenders Famous losses: Duilio Loi, Carlos Teo Cruz, (Ken Buchanan doesn't count, Carlos was completely shot), all other losses were avenged 1. Who is higher and 2. Where do you rate the one you rate highest, in your ATG rankings For me, I am starting to think Carlos Ortiz could be in my Top 50 ATG (near 50 ish). His only real loss to me, is Ortiz-Loi 3.
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01-19-2013, 06:55 AM	#2
anj Fuck The Judges ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Durham/Essex, England Posts: 2,026 vCash: 300	Re: Who is higher in your ATG rankings - Vicente Salvidar or Carlos Ortiz? lol no one?
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Tin_Ribs Me ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 1,475 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is higher in your ATG rankings - Vicente Salvidar or Carlos Ortiz? Probably Ortiz for me too due to his greater longevity and number of fights. They're both among my very favourites. I might chip in later with something more in depth....
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Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,057 vCash: 75	Re: Who is higher in your ATG rankings - Vicente Salvidar or Carlos Ortiz? Ortiz is in the 28-32 bracket for me. Saldivar in the 50-60 I imagine. I'm not sure why they're that far apart though to be honest other than Saldivar's more short and sweet record (and of course the two ace scalps he picked up straight off the bat in his comeback, was competitive with Shibata as well so no shame there, Shibata was super quick) I really, really rate Ortiz mind and have been much more impressed with certain wins on Saldivar's record the more I look into 'em. He's one of the greatest feathers of all time IMO. Ortiz one of the greatest lightweights and has the wins over Locche and Loi.
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01-19-2013, 09:38 PM	#6
Ianian58 Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 332 vCash: 300	Re: Who is higher in your ATG rankings - Vicente Salvidar or Carlos Ortiz? I'd out Ortiz 37-30, Saldivar close but below Ortiz in the low forties. Maybe I just like Ortiz too much.
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