Pavlik retires - Page 2

p.Townend · 01-19-2013, 09:21 PM

It is a shame. He looked to have a bright future up to the Hopkins fight. His life just seemed to go to shit after that.

trotter · 01-21-2013, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by p.Townend

It is a shame. He looked to have a bright future up to the Hopkins fight. His life just seemed to go to shit after that.

He was hitting trouble well before that I think, didn't he make an utter mess of his arm in a 'DIY accident' - before all the supposed drinking problems emerged?

Hopkins probably had his number anyway mind you.

TFFP · 01-21-2013, 07:10 AM

I was tempted to say a strange career...certainly if you only looked at it from an in-ring POV it'd appear strange. Never really had any overly taxing fights where its been a horrific beating and you would feel had he kept it all together he should have had more to give. He actually did okay v Martinez, Hopkins mugged him but I don't tend to believe all this rubbish about Hopkins being a 'career ruiner.' It was humiliating maybe, devastating I think not. Hopkins was moving about the ring throwing looping rights, connecting with the odd one and holding and hitting. Hardly stuff to take lumps out of your career.

But the more you look at it the more it seems he was just that type of guy not cut out for relative fame and fortune. Out of the ring antics seemed to take more of their tole on him than what happened in the ring unlike say Hatton where it was probably a mixture of both, and thats always a shame from a fans point of view, especially when he was relatively entertaining.

daveyboy1609 · 01-21-2013, 08:26 AM

Hopefully Jermain Taylor will follow- way past his best now and worried he'll get a pasting off someone soon. Could see him thrown in with JCC Jr or something like that. Wouldn't be pretty.

HMSTempleGarden · 01-21-2013, 08:45 AM

Hopkins really did steal that soul!

Wig · 01-21-2013, 02:22 PM

One dimensional american level plodder. Ducked King Arthur for years, lucky to not get pancaked by Taylor in their first fight, and stunk the joint out in the return.

Jab-Jab-Big right hand. and repeat. The end.

If he wasn't american he would have always been considered a plucky gatekeeper at best. The great white hoax.

ElCep · 01-21-2013, 02:33 PM

It's a safe bet he'll be back, depending on how quickly his money dwindles. It'd give it maybe a year and a half. He'll come back, but because he's abused his body, he won't have what it takes and it'll all end in tears. Not for him, he won't give a fuck, his heart's not in it. But for a fans. An annoying, wildly inconsistent and pretty unsatisfying career and fighter to be honest.

wallworkjake123 · 01-21-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ElCep

It's a safe bet he'll be back, depending on how quickly his money dwindles. It'd give it maybe a year and a half. He'll come back, but because he's abused his body, he won't have what it takes and it'll all end in tears. Not for him, he won't give a fuck, his heart's not in it. But for a fans. An annoying, wildly inconsistent and pretty unsatisfying career and fighter to be honest.

How is winning THEE middleweight championship of the world "unsatisfying"?

madpuppy · 01-21-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wig

One dimensional american level plodder. Ducked King Arthur for years, lucky to not get pancaked by Taylor in their first fight, and stunk the joint out in the return.

Jab-Jab-Big right hand. and repeat. The end.

If he wasn't american he would have always been considered a plucky gatekeeper at best. The great white hoax.

Plucky gatekeepers do not win two belts in the middleweight division. Like most people said a good, but not a great fighter in his short prime.

dftaylor · 01-21-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wig

One dimensional american level plodder. Ducked King Arthur for years, lucky to not get pancaked by Taylor in their first fight, and stunk the joint out in the return.

Jab-Jab-Big right hand. and repeat. The end.

If he wasn't american he would have always been considered a plucky gatekeeper at best. The great white hoax.

Someone's got a problem with Kelly.

miguel2010 · 01-21-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PUG

He's realised the bad choices he made with his tattoo spree, and no longer wants his torso seen in public?

http://i.imgur.com/iPV0ZeQ.jpg

Said this for years, easy 10/11 years and even more now of late, tattoos are for people with something missing in their make up, (no pun intended) look at me an the tattoo ive got, what 7 other lads in the pub have got. Yeah, nice one eh, individual of you that.

They are not cool, bottom line is that there are that many copy cats around, that is in fact cooler not to have any.

ElCep · 01-22-2013, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wallworkjake123

How is winning THEE middleweight championship of the world "unsatisfying"?

Winning it was good. Defending it against Locket, Rubio and Espino then losing it to Martinez is hardly a satisfying middleweight title reign.

daveyboy1609 · 01-22-2013, 06:18 AM

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Winning it was good. Defending it against Locket, Rubio and Espino then losing it to Martinez is hardly a satisfying middleweight title reign.

All alltime greats in other eras. No way Hagler hangs around past round one against Espino.

Duran vs Lockett? Mismatch for the Welshman.

Leonard get smashed vs Rubio.

JWP · 01-22-2013, 06:25 AM

tough tough fighter, his beating up of a then dangerous miranda is one of my favourite fights.

01-19-2013, 09:21 PM	#16
p.Townend Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dewsbury Posts: 8,391 vCash: 100	Re: Pavlik retires It is a shame. He looked to have a bright future up to the Hopkins fight. His life just seemed to go to shit after that.
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01-21-2013, 07:10 AM	#18
TFFP The Eskimo East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Reykjavík Posts: 30,420 vCash: 2500	Re: Pavlik retires I was tempted to say a strange career...certainly if you only looked at it from an in-ring POV it'd appear strange. Never really had any overly taxing fights where its been a horrific beating and you would feel had he kept it all together he should have had more to give. He actually did okay v Martinez, Hopkins mugged him but I don't tend to believe all this rubbish about Hopkins being a 'career ruiner.' It was humiliating maybe, devastating I think not. Hopkins was moving about the ring throwing looping rights, connecting with the odd one and holding and hitting. Hardly stuff to take lumps out of your career. But the more you look at it the more it seems he was just that type of guy not cut out for relative fame and fortune. Out of the ring antics seemed to take more of their tole on him than what happened in the ring unlike say Hatton where it was probably a mixture of both, and thats always a shame from a fans point of view, especially when he was relatively entertaining.
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01-21-2013, 08:26 AM	#19
daveyboy1609 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,405 vCash: 206	Re: Pavlik retires Hopefully Jermain Taylor will follow- way past his best now and worried he'll get a pasting off someone soon. Could see him thrown in with JCC Jr or something like that. Wouldn't be pretty.
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01-21-2013, 08:45 AM	#20
HMSTempleGarden Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 6,458 vCash: 2522	Re: Pavlik retires Hopkins really did steal that soul!
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01-21-2013, 02:22 PM	#21
Wig Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,306 vCash: 180	Re: Pavlik retires One dimensional american level plodder. Ducked King Arthur for years, lucky to not get pancaked by Taylor in their first fight, and stunk the joint out in the return. Jab-Jab-Big right hand. and repeat. The end. If he wasn't american he would have always been considered a plucky gatekeeper at best. The great white hoax.
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01-21-2013, 02:33 PM	#22
ElCep Hookin' Off The Jab ESB Addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: Great Britain Posts: 2,377 vCash: 500	Re: Pavlik retires It's a safe bet he'll be back, depending on how quickly his money dwindles. It'd give it maybe a year and a half. He'll come back, but because he's abused his body, he won't have what it takes and it'll all end in tears. Not for him, he won't give a fuck, his heart's not in it. But for a fans. An annoying, wildly inconsistent and pretty unsatisfying career and fighter to be honest.
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01-22-2013, 06:25 AM	#29
JWP Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 346 vCash: 1000	Re: Pavlik retires tough tough fighter, his beating up of a then dangerous miranda is one of my favourite fights.
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