Mikey Garcia vs. Orlando Salido & Gennady Golovkin vs. Gabriel Rosado & undercard RBR - Page 83

KO KIDD · 01-20-2013, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

You aren't making a point.

It is no different than the Judah - Clottey fight where Judah got fouled and the doctor asked if he could continue and Judah said no because he thought he had the lead on the cards.

When you are fouled accidentally the doctor will usually ask the fighter before he stops, especially if it isn't anything like excessive bleeding.

but what would have happened if say the doctor said Zab the eyes fine nad Zabs like I cant fight or it doesnt matter

im not singling out this fight but just have questions on how the rules work in these freak scenarios

Reppin501 · 01-20-2013, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CASH_718

My biggest worry is that when he gets into a really tough fight he wont be able to step it up and will just fold. I don't get how he had Salido in front of him hurt for almost half the fight but never once pushes the issue.

Who is he going to fight tougher than Salido...do you think Gamboa or Donaire take those shots? Serious question...

Reppin501 · 01-20-2013, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KO KIDD

but what would have happened if say the doctor said Zab the eyes fine nad Zabs like I cant fight or it doesnt matter

im not singling out this fight but just have questions on how the rules work in these freak scenarios

The feedback from the fighter is factored into the equation but there are multiple variables that go into a Dr's decision besides just fighter feedback. It's the judgement of the Dr, he's paid to weigh all the variables and render a decision.

SweetHome_Bama · 01-20-2013, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KO KIDD

but what would have happened if say the doctor said Zab the eyes fine nad Zabs like I cant fight or it doesnt matter

im not singling out this fight but just have questions on how the rules work in these freak scenarios

The doctor can say your eyes look okay to me, but if Zab says I can't see the doctor must stop the fight. He can't ignore teh fighter request, because then he and the commission will be legally liable for any injury after the fact because they ignored the fighter.

KO KIDD · 01-20-2013, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CASH_718

Because the doctor can't tell if a fighter can't breath out his nose or can't see out of there eye or ever worse they are seeing double ect.

Vivian Harris got headbutted hard was rocked action was stopped and then he fainted a few seconds later. By your logic they should have ruled he was faking and gave him an L.

Italicized answered my question

and to the bold Im not saying give the L in a case like that Im asking if the doc says one thing and the fighter says another is the result different thats all

obviously if a guy blacks out a doctor would know that he cant go

KO KIDD · 01-20-2013, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

The doctor can say your eyes look okay to me, but if Zab says I can't see the doctor must stop the fight. He can't ignore teh fighter request, because then he and the commission will be legally liable for any injury after the fact because they ignored the fighter.

that answered my question so in no way would it ever be a TKO

saul_ir34 · 01-20-2013, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CASH_718

Yup. A.d Robert Garcia to my surprise who had heart like a mother fucker when he fought was pushing hard for the stoppage. I didn't like that and I really don't like Mickey Garcia's attitude in the ring. I don't think he cares that much and if a fight really got tough he'd look for the easy way out.

You don't just cruise while knocking a guy down 5(?) times and hurt him repeatedly and never pressure for a stoppage. There's something wrong with his mental make up. Good thing for him his skills are so good he might never be in trouble......

You have been pretty negative on Mikey. Why?

Bogotazo · 01-20-2013, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CASH_718

Yup. A.d Robert Garcia to my surprise who had heart like a mother fucker when he fought was pushing hard for the stoppage. I didn't like that and I really don't like Mickey Garcia's attitude in the ring. I don't think he cares that much and if a fight really got tough he'd look for the easy way out.

You don't just cruise while knocking a guy down 5(?) times and hurt him repeatedly and never pressure for a stoppage. There's something wrong with his mental make up. Good thing for him his skills are so good he might never be in trouble......

There were plenty of times Mikey stepped in with a hard 1-2 and pushed Salido back when he saw an opportunity to land. I think he was smart, knowing Salido was dangerous, and pushed the stoppage an appropriate amount. It's just that Salido never stops coming.

Remember that Garcia made an enormous jump up in class tonight. Any tweaks he needs to make are forgiveable.

SweetHome_Bama · 01-20-2013, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KO KIDD

that answered my question so in no way would it ever be a TKO

An accidental foul causing the end of a fight will always go to the cards after 4 rounds I believe.

KO KIDD · 01-20-2013, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

An accidental foul causing the end of a fight will always go to the cards after 4 rounds I believe.

sorry to belabor a useless question though it beats discussing the aspects of Manny or Floyd whose ducking and the strategical outlook of the fight

CASH_718 · 01-20-2013, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reppin501

Who is he going to fight tougher than Salido...do you think Gamboa or Donaire take those shots? Serious question...

What does fighting "tougher" have do do with anything? What if he gets rocked or dropped a few times vs doniare? Or even dropped once and the fight is going his way?

Can Doniare take those shots? Maybe I never seen the guy hurt.

Would Doniare get hit by those shots in the first place? No fucking way.

kordapio · 01-20-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

who's JMM fighting here?

KO KIDD · 01-20-2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kordapio

who's JMM fighting here?

jimrex jaca

CASH_718 · 01-20-2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by saul_ir34

You have been pretty negative on Mikey. Why?

His attitude scares me. I'm honestly a fan but the more he fights the more it makes me question what he would be willing to go through to win a hard fight.

His skills and power are top notch. The kid can box but even boxers get put into hard fights and its only a matter of time before he's in one. His defense isn't great. Not terrible but he can be hit. The kid might have more heart then Gatti but no killer instinct but its also pretty likely he doesn't push a fight because he just doesn't have the mentality of a fighter.

CASH_718 · 01-20-2013, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogotazo

There were plenty of times Mikey stepped in with a hard 1-2 and pushed Salido back when he saw an opportunity to land. I think he was smart, knowing Salido was dangerous, and pushed the stoppage an appropriate amount. It's just that Salido never stops coming.

Remember that Garcia made an enormous jump up in class tonight. Any tweaks he needs to make are forgiveable.

Stepping in with a 1-2 is pushing the action?

And keeping Salido in the fight when he had numerous chances to end it is not smart. Salido is dangerous if you have him hurt early you try and finish him you don't let him stick around.