Chad Dawson is making a big mistake...again! - Page 4

blacktopbully · 01-20-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by knockout artist

You really know your boxing!

Dawson is frustrating, he has great physical talents and the tools are all there. He just doesn't seem to be able to bring it all together the way that someone like Ward does every time he steps out into the ring. I question Chad's focus, by all accounts he should be in his prime now, but is he a better fighter today than he was 3-4 years ago?

RIGHT!?!?! lmao i read a few lines in and was like alright! alright! you win i won't argue your point

guy is clearly one of them guys you just wont bullshit as he said

don't waste his time he wont waste yours

SJS19 · 01-20-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dealt_with

Your tactics sound okay but your conditioning methods are well and truly over the line into retard territory.

Have I ever claimed to be a strength and conditioning Guru?

ReE13 · 01-20-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Emeritus

The problem is Chad no one else.

Mayweather Sr told everyone time ago but because of who he is (a Mayweather) no one wanted to listen.

The boy is talented however he IS mentally weak and un-dedicated and whenever things don't go his way he will ALWAYS fold and will ALWAYS have an excuse.

Floyd only talked shit about him after he got his ass fired and Floyd Jr was still praising him.

ReE13 · 01-20-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipset

Chad was at his best with SNR FACT.

He had 2 fights and one good win with sr, Chad was bad Chad under Dan Birmingham and before that iceman John scully.

Slickstar · 01-20-2013, 03:04 PM

He would make a good tuneup comeback match for Dirrell

dealt_with · 01-21-2013, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SJS19

Have I ever claimed to be a strength and conditioning Guru?

No, I don't believe so. I was just pointing out that your conditioning methods are ridiculous.

DoctorIron · 01-21-2013, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SJS19

Hell.

If I was Sculley, I'd of chucked Dawson. Air the dirty washing publicly. I'd of told the press that Chad was a mental midget. He didn't have the bollox to walk through hell and back to become the best he could be. Question his man hood, his determination and his desire.

Then again, from day one of camp I'd tell him if he'd show less than what I thought he was capable of, he'd be out on his arse. Don't waste my time, I won't waste yours. Follow that rule, and we have a great chance at being successful.

Dawson would fucking KO you with a jab dude.. Why you going hard core lmao.

Nonito Smoak · 01-21-2013, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

He would make a good tuneup comeback match for Dirrell

Ha!

I assume this would be at 175... He'd beat the living shit out of Dirrell. Dirrell has fought, what? Once or twice over the past two and a half years. He beat an undersized, turtle shell Abraham and boxed Froch well, if you take away the hundred clinches, literally hundred.

Ripple633 · 01-21-2013, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ReE13

He had 2 fights and one good win with sr, Chad was bad Chad under Dan Birmingham and before that iceman John scully.

He looked good under Birmingham, but under Floyd Sr he looked multi-dimensional. He showed a lot more lateral movement under Sr, his left hand improved a lot too. After the Adamek fight, Dawson admitted that Floyd Sr. pushed him hard, and the results speak for itself.

I think Dawson's talent is right up there with the best in boxing today. Unfortunately he seems mentally weak, the decisions he's made in his career were not good ones, and it has effected his performance in the ring. I never knew he switched trainers so many times, even before he hired Sr.

Ripple633 · 01-21-2013, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMagic

Yeah PTF, that might be true.

I do however think that Chad Dawson has looked his best under Eddie Mustafa Muhammad.

He didn't look good under Muhammad at all. His fights against Tarver, Johnson and the loss to Pascal were lackluster. The Tarver fights were just

.

How can Dawson be proud of those wins, and he dropped the WBC belt to fight Tarver too.

Boxed Ears · 01-21-2013, 06:36 AM

Sometimes the pride of a fighter makes them set the issue with their trainers, instead of themselves, when they come up short. I think that's all this is. You convince yourself it's not you. I think it's basically what Khan did, recently, and will likely do again. I think Dawson will do it again. It certainly doesn't make a fan out of me but if you're judging people on the norm, I think this is a normal, run-of-the-mill error for fighters, at least. Eddie and John are both good trainers and Dawson's a good boxer, you can't make a good or very good fighter be great with sheer will. The chips must fall where they may. Dawson doesn't have greatness in him so nobody can bring it out. He's going to win some and lose some at this level, regardless of who's training him. He will not be a dominant force, I'm almost certain. It's just not there.

PityTheFool · 01-21-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ripple633

He looked ogood under Birmingham, but under Floyd Sr he looked multi-dimensional. He showed a lot more lateral movement under Sr, his left hand improved a lot too. After the Adamek fight, Dawson admitted that Floyd Sr. pushed him hard, and the results speak itself.

I think Dawson's talent is right up there with the best in boxing today. Unfortunately he seems mentally weak, the decisions he's made in his career were not good ones, and it has effected his performance in the ring. I never knew he switched trainers so many times, even before he hired Sr.

It would appear that everyone can see the obvious apart from Chad,and I thought it was poor form to make the snide comments he did about John Scully.
You'd think he would discuss it before putting the news online and if John was so bad,why did he go back?
The Hopkins victory will go down as one of his most significant, regardless of Bernard's age,so why does he pull this after a loss that no trainer could have changed?

dealt_with · 01-21-2013, 07:34 AM

Dawson sounded like he went back to Scully because 'he knows him best and lets him do his own thing'. Then when he loses he implies that he's too advanced for a simple trainer like Scully. When a trainer like Floyd sr. tells him what to do he doesn't listen or like to be told what to do. The fool doesn't know what he wants and changes his story all the time, looking for anyone to blame other than himself.
When he's winning he doesn't like to be told what to do and when he loses he wants to be held by the hand.

SJS19 · 01-21-2013, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DoctorIron

Dawson would fucking KO you with a jab dude.. Why you going hard core lmao.

Yeah, that's how it works...

Ahurath · 01-21-2013, 09:05 AM

Well if a fighter is regualry changing trainers I think the fighter puts alot of blame on them.

He should stay with scully and put the blame on himself.

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Boxed Ears Lowering Post Count East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brunoilia, Hehsland Posts: 51,280 vCash: 7500	Re: Chad Dawson is making a big mistake...again! Sometimes the pride of a fighter makes them set the issue with their trainers, instead of themselves, when they come up short. I think that's all this is. You convince yourself it's not you. I think it's basically what Khan did, recently, and will likely do again. I think Dawson will do it again. It certainly doesn't make a fan out of me but if you're judging people on the norm, I think this is a normal, run-of-the-mill error for fighters, at least. Eddie and John are both good trainers and Dawson's a good boxer, you can't make a good or very good fighter be great with sheer will. The chips must fall where they may. Dawson doesn't have greatness in him so nobody can bring it out. He's going to win some and lose some at this level, regardless of who's training him. He will not be a dominant force, I'm almost certain. It's just not there.
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