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Old 01-20-2013, 07:46 PM   #3676
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The idea that heavyweights age "slower" than other athletes and boxers in other divisions has some merit, especially as today's HW division has become more about size than ability or athleticism.

But, no athlete can offset time.
Heavies suffer less, as their experience allows them to compensate for their declining speed and stamina.

Look at the 28 year ok Lewis against the 35 year old.

Different fighters physically. (Ignore the technical improvements Steward implemented)
Young Lewis is a leaner, faster fighter. The old one is much more solid, less mobile but craftier.

The idea that this has always been the case is false though.

When Lewis beat Vitaly he was something like the 3rd oldest HW champ in history. Ali was considered old against Foreman at 32.
Foreman retired first time round at 28.

When heavies were simply big men, their ages were comparable with other sports. There were always big men, but the more skilled, faster guys could beat them. Doesn't happen anymore.

There is no doubt the talent level is falling at heavy. In the past, old guys were the exception. Stories like foreman were mind blowing because of it.

Now, guys that were never that good are still competitive at a late age. The run of guys that were never that good in their prime - like Maskaev, Briggs etc. that were winning belts until Wlad got them sll or Vitaly unretired after waiting for Rahman to get old - just shows the drop off in recent years.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:56 PM   #3677
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The idea that heavyweights age "slower" than other athletes and boxers in other divisions has some merit, especially as today's HW division has become more about size than ability or athleticism.

But, no athlete can offset time.
Heavies suffer less, as their experience allows them to compensate for their declining speed and stamina.

Look at the 28 year ok Lewis against the 35 year old.

Different fighters physically. (Ignore the technical improvements Steward implemented)
Young Lewis is a leaner, faster fighter. The old one is much more solid, less mobile but craftier.

The idea that this has always been the case is false though.

When Lewis beat Vitaly he was something like the 3rd oldest HW champ in history. Ali was considered old against Foreman at 32.
Foreman retired first time round at 28.

When heavies were simply big men, their ages were comparable with other sports. There were always big men, but the more skilled, faster guys could beat them. Doesn't happen anymore.

There is no doubt the talent level is falling at heavy. In the past, old guys were the exception. Stories like foreman were mind blowing because of it.

Now, guys that were never that good are still competitive at a late age. The run of guys that were never that good in their prime - like Maskaev, Briggs etc. that were winning belts until Wlad got them sll or Vitaly unretired after waiting for Rahman to get old - just shows the drop off in recent years.
lol, most of the fighters from the 90s era did awful against fighters of 2000s. Maskaev was leveled by Peter. Briggs was beaten easily by Ibragimov, Vitaly and Mccline. Holyfield also lost to Byrd, Ruiz, Ibragimov, Toney etc.. Golota lost vs Ruiz and had a draw with Byrd. If 90s were so much better then even older versions of 90s fighters should at least be competitive with 2000s fighters. But they all got dominated with ease.
That's laughable to think that Vitaly retired because he was scared of Rahman. Rahman was KOed by Maskaev ffs and Vitaly is on totally different level.
Also, are you implying that Klitschkos are just big and got no skills? Then how come Tye Fields or Julius Long are not champions?
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:02 PM   #3678
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The fact that Hasim Rahman was getting a title shot recently is a ****ing disgrace.

Guys like Rahman, Holyfield (Who should have been retired 20 years ago), Shannon Briggs have gotten title shots paints a ****py picture of what should be the stalwart division.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:37 AM   #3679
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lol, most of the fighters from the 90s era did awful against fighters of 2000s. Maskaev was leveled by Peter. Briggs was beaten easily by Ibragimov, Vitaly and Mccline. Holyfield also lost to Byrd, Ruiz, Ibragimov, Toney etc.. Golota lost vs Ruiz and had a draw with Byrd. If 90s were so much better then even older versions of 90s fighters should at least be competitive with 2000s fighters. But they all got dominated with ease.
That's laughable to think that Vitaly retired because he was scared of Rahman. Rahman was KOed by Maskaev ffs and Vitaly is on totally different level.
Also, are you implying that Klitschkos are just big and got no skills? Then how come Tye Fields or Julius Long are not champions?
Maskaev didn't win a title in the 90s.
He won one when past his best. Against a 30 odd yr old Rahman. And as for "Peter whacked him". So did a few guys in the 90s. That's why he couldn't evev get a title shot back then.

Briggs didn't win a title when he was somewhere near his best either. Had to beat one of the current crop.

Hell, if I was being mischievous I could say Corrie sanders had to wait until he faced a current fighter before winning a belt. A near prime Rahman was too much for him.

Rahman is still getting shots despite being shot, and 40.

Holyfield at Christ knows what age, shot to **** - could legitimately claim to being robbed of a title recently.

You cannot tell me this shows a healthy crop of young up and comers.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:41 AM   #3680
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lol, what a load of bull****. NFL has nothing to do with boxing. Ballerinas are old at 17 lol so what? It's different for every sport. Weight lifters and bodybuilders are competitive at 40.
We are talking about boxing here and not other sports, so please use arguments from boxing and not NFL.
All sports where athletes compete against one another are relevant, you just don't want to admit it because it ruins your pathetic theory that somehow todays heavyweight are physically aging differently than other athletes.

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The list above that I posted shows the age of HW boxers and clearly they reach prime in mid 30s and start getting old in late 30s and early 40s.
Your list means nothing because you have no chrystal ball to tell you if most will still be fighting in their late 30's, early 40's. Out of your list though it's clearly visable that Vittles, Povetkin and Adamek have all declined compared to their best days. By the way, the average age of your list is just over 31 so YOU cant tell **** by it.

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Also, if HW talent level would be low wouldn't it mean that they would be less competitive at advanced age? Better athletes, who are always in shape etc, train harder, last longer.
No, it means the division blows because guys only fight 2 or 3 times a year against soft comp allowing them to still be competitive. Take your hero Vitley do right for instance. Do you really think his sorry ass would be competitive now with prime versions of Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, etc.? If you do you're a complete fool.

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George Foreman fought at 48, so according to you he is a talentless hack? According to your argument Holyfield and Holmes only fought into their 40s because they are talentless and some **** fighter who eats junk food, smokes crack and retires at 30 is talented? lol what an idiot.
Why don't you supply a link to where I've said ANYTHING even resembling these remarks? They're the exception, not the rule. What you're trying to falsley pass off is that todays heavyweights magically age different because there is an older crop of fighters at the world class level. This is easily explained by fighting less and against softer comp more often than not.

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Actually a lot of the talented boxers fought when they were old. Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Jones, Vitaly all had dedication and fought for long time, and fighters with bad training habits and no talent got old pretty quickly.
Good training habbit are without a doubt the key a longer career. But that doesn't stop physical decline that happen to EVERY person on this planet. Heres a couple links to support my case. How about you provide some links that tell how heavyweight boxers are now able to miraculously overcome father time while other athletes cannot?

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8. How long do world class athletes play their sport?
The average world class athlete retires from his sport at the age of 33. Incredibly, the average NFL player is retired by the age of 28, the average world class wrestler by 24, and the average elite gymnast by 19.

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If you need more I also found some great articles on how after 30 your lungs dont process oxygen as well anymore which leads to decreased stamina and strength. Of course that doesn't take into consideration PED's, which is a cheat anyways.

Nice schooling you again Spanky!!
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:42 AM   #3681
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Maskaev didn't win a title in the 90s.
He won one when past his best. Against a 30 odd yr old Rahman. And as for "Peter whacked him". So did a few guys in the 90s. That's why he couldn't evev get a title shot back then.

Briggs didn't win a title when he was somewhere near his best either. Had to beat one of the current crop.

Hell, if I was being mischievous I could say Corrie sanders had to wait until he faced a current fighter before winning a belt. A near prime Rahman was too much for him.

Rahman is still getting shots despite being shot, and 40.

Holyfield at Christ knows what age, shot to **** - could legitimately claim to being robbed of a title recently.

You cannot tell me this shows a healthy crop of young up and comers.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:47 PM   #3682
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Maskaev didn't win a title in the 90s.
He won one when past his best. Against a 30 odd yr old Rahman. And as for "Peter whacked him". So did a few guys in the 90s. That's why he couldn't evev get a title shot back then.

Briggs didn't win a title when he was somewhere near his best either. Had to beat one of the current crop.

Hell, if I was being mischievous I could say Corrie sanders had to wait until he faced a current fighter before winning a belt. A near prime Rahman was too much for him.

Rahman is still getting shots despite being shot, and 40.

Holyfield at Christ knows what age, shot to **** - could legitimately claim to being robbed of a title recently.

You cannot tell me this shows a healthy crop of young up and comers.


That's how you bend a poster over and use your palm to administer a sound bit of discipline to his backside.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:30 PM   #3683
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Default Which result is more memorable? KTFO6 or TKO6?

Discuss.

Marquez knocking Manny Emmanuel Dapidran out COLD. I don't even know if Manny is awake yet

Or TKO6

Lewis beating Klit.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #3684
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #3685
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Default Re: Which result is more memorable? KTFO6 or TKO6?

Lewis' win is clearly more memorable because it gets on the tits of some very annoying posters.
At least the Pac****s dealt with it after a day or two of mourning, whereas that other mob are about to celebrate a decade of denial.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:46 PM   #3686
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The referee Lou 'the midget' Moret let Lewis away with constant holding around the neck from the 1st round until the stoppage, if that next to useless **** had done his job the cut wouldn't have happened as it was opened in these clinches with Lewis's left arms around Vit's neck. Happened all fight and is illegal, nothing done.
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:12 PM   #3687
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In 3 years time TKO6 would be renamed NC6 when Lewis finally admits the "docter" was on his payroll





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Old 01-21-2013, 03:25 PM   #3688
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At least the Pac****s dealt with it after a day or two of mourning, whereas that other mob are about to celebrate a decade of denial.
The pactrash brigade have shifted gears. Now instead of posting about how incredible their hero is, they try to degrade every other boxer seen as an "enemy", which is typically just Floyd or JMM.

They are still around, although in much less volume. So refreshing.

KTFO6 more memorable for me. Never before has a fraud been exposed on such a grand scale.

I wonder what would have happened if Lewis/Klit went the full 12.
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The referee Lou 'the midget' Moret let Lewis away with constant holding around the neck from the 1st round until the stoppage, if that next to useless **** had done his job the cut wouldn't have happened as it was opened in these clinches with Lewis's left arms around Vit's neck. Happened all fight and is illegal, nothing done.
Klit**** moaning about a fighter holding.

LOL
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