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Old 01-21-2013, 06:03 PM   #46
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Pathetic if folks think this is #1 atg @ 130
Not really dude, haha.

Genaro and Corrales could be said to be better wins than any Arguello accumulated at 130, with Escalera and Chacon as the only ones you could attempt to argue for, and you'd be hard pressed. Manfredy was ranked #3 I believe when Floyd beat him, hot off of the Gatti win. Chavez was #4 and had been for a while, C. Hernandez was a top ten for a while. Both of them would go on to be two of Morales' notable career best wins (not among his best, but in the next tier).

The more I directly compare the two the more I believe it's Mayweather.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:03 PM   #47
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Give it a break RJJFan, Diego got beat fair and square and stayed at 130. If it's true that he had weight issues, it doesn't mean he'd get owned as much as he did against Money. Let's be honest here, Diego never had a chance against Mayweather, even if he felt as great as one can feel.
No argument from me, i think Mayweather did a marvelous job that night but i think it would have been less one sided without the weight issues.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:19 PM   #48
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Alexis Arguello @ 130
W TKO13 Alfredo Escalera, won WBC title from him
W TKO5 Rey Tam
W KO1 Diego Alcala
W UD15 Arturo Leon
W KO13 Alfredo Escalera II
W TKO11 Rafael Limon
W TKO7 Bobby Chacon
W TKO11 Ruben Castillo
W TKO5 Rolando Navarette

Floyd Mayweather Jr. @ 130
W RTD8 Genaro Hernandez, won WBC title and lineal championship from him
W TKO2 Angel Manfredy
W UD12 Carlos Rios
W KO9 ****** Juuko
W RTD7 Carlos Gerena
W UD12 Gregorio Vargas
W TKO10 Diego Corrales
W UD12 Carlos Hernandez
W RTD9 Jesus Chavez

I go with Mayweather here, but it is certainly close and a worthwhile debate.
Arguello clearly has the better title record, thanks for posting this.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:45 PM   #49
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Arguello clearly has the better title record, thanks for posting this.
Agreed!
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:27 PM   #50
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Alexis Arguello @ 130
W TKO13 Alfredo Escalera, won WBC title from him
W TKO5 Rey Tam
W KO1 Diego Alcala
W UD15 Arturo Leon
W KO13 Alfredo Escalera II
W TKO11 Rafael Limon -
W TKO7 Bobby Chacon
W TKO11 Ruben Castillo
W TKO5 Rolando Navarette -

Floyd Mayweather Jr. @ 130
W RTD8 Genaro Hernandez, won WBC title and lineal championship from him
W TKO2 Angel Manfredy
W UD12 Carlos Rios
W KO9 ****** Juuko
W RTD7 Carlos Gerena
W UD12 Gregorio Vargas
W TKO10 Diego Corrales
W UD12 Carlos Hernandez
W RTD9 Jesus Chavez

I go with Mayweather here, but it is certainly close and a worthwhile debate.
Thanks, I originally didn't think Mayweather would be #1 in the division (apart from H2H), but after seeing it here to compare, it's VERY hard for me to choose whose resume is better.

On your resume:
Genaro Hernandez is greater than Escalara.
Jesus Chavez or Prime Rafel Limon...too close to call.
Angel Manfredy or Naravette - VERY close but I prefer Manfredy
I prefer Mayweather's other wins over Arguello's other wins.

Corrales-Chacon - now that is a very hard one
Bobby Chacon's noticeable wins are:
Boza-Edwards
prime Limon
a shot Olivares who got a punchers chance win over Jose Luis Ramirez,
The best win of his career IMO - Danny Lopez, and he beat a few others. Chucho Castillo was shot.

Corrales:
Freitas
Casamayor - lost the rivalry against Casa
JL Castillo 1 - lost the rivalry against JL
Manfredy
Juuko
Gainer
Garcia

Meh, I think I prefer Chacon, but it's pretty 50-50 and I'm open to thinking either way.
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Now add to the fact that H2H Mayweather would beat Arguello and in general Mayweather looked more dominant than Arguello did against his opponents....

Erm...LOL I think Mayweather probably is the greatest 130 of all time haha, although I'd have to think this over a LOT. It's a VERY premature judgement.

The next step is:
Did Mayweather's opposition have a style that was harder for him than Arguello's?
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:38 PM   #51
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From my experience most people don`t consider floyd the greatest ever at 130, they consider Arguello the greatest at 130 (& I`m one of those people)

There are a few that think he`s H2H the best at 130 (I`m not one of those people, I`ve got Chavez beating him)
arguello at 130? really? He had a short career at 130, as short and as similar as pac's career at 130. Mayweather dominated 130 division for 5 years and established himself as the best at 130
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:00 PM   #52
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Didn't genaro quit against de la Hoya? And he died recently giving his family pain. Smh
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:51 PM   #53
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Default Re: Alright Mayweather Fanboys... How does this equate to the greatest 130 of all tim

Who besides Chavez and Arguello should be considered to have a better resume at 130 than Mayweather?
I'll take Mayweather over both in a fight at 130.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:14 PM   #54
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C'mon Takashi Uchiyama!

Stay at this weight for a long time!

End this debate, Uchi!
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:27 PM   #55
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C'mon Takashi Uchiyama!

Stay at this weight for a long time!

End this debate, Uchi!
YEAH!!! Trashing Gamboa is a start.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:55 PM   #56
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130: Vargas - who?
Goyo Vargas, former titleholder at 126lbs, who had come into this fight off wins over two time 130lb kingpin Tracy Patterson and a then undefeated Ben Tackie. Dude was a legit contender, even if he was past his best.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:59 PM   #57
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Who besides Chavez and Arguello should be considered to have a better resume at 130 than Mayweather?
I'll take Mayweather over both in a fight at 130.
Henry Armstrong.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:36 AM   #58
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Henry Armstrong.
Super Feather was not a contested division in his day. He had fights at or around 130, but dose not have a better resume than Mayweather at the weight. Great fighter and a three weight champion, but not at 130.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:38 AM   #59
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The manner in which Floyd beat his opponents is why most rate near or at the top of the great 130 pound fighters.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:41 AM   #60
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Everyone knows that his resume is less than the ATG he(and his fanboys)claims to be. Fanboys keep arguing that FMJ is the greatest at 130 cause we know his resume beyond that is average...


130: Chavez - good win

130: Corrales - good win

135: Augustus - eh

130: Juuko - eh

130: Vargas - who?

130: Manfredy - decent win

130: Chicanito - RIP - It was Chicanito's last fight

This is the resume that makes him 130 ATG? F'n *****s

You would have a point but you classed Corrales as a good win and the same for Chavez. That's dumb and you're dumb.

Opinion void.
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