I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

Would a boxer thread like this be good?

Yes, to get a fighters POV how he sees things would be great.

[dealt_with]

Originally Posted by nvs

Its not eucalyptus. Its birch branches tied together.
They are used in the sauna and your supposed to smack yourself with the birch branches.

It mostly has massaging and skin cleaning effect.

This is very common feature in the countryside saunas, especially places where the sauna stove has a fireplace.

Sauna is great place to relax especially if you have flu or feel ill.
You feel totally relaxed and have a cleansed sentation thru out.

Thank god my ban is over so i could get this out from my chest.

Thanks for the education, now we know so you can go relax in the sauna

[dealt_with]

Originally Posted by dempsey1234

Dealt, you are right sometimes I am a sensitive B, let's share our knowledge and experience to help somebody achieve their dreams and goals.
Leavander needed help and cos he didnt get it from his team for whatever reason, he paid the price. If you watched that clip Leavander was done they should have stopped it but they didn't. I believe that fighters need help, from both of us, cos they just want to fight. I've seen and heard of too many fighters who were used and abused to make a buck.
Thank you for your reply keep doing what you are doing as you can see we both are needed.

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by Thracian

Whats the worst legal deal you've seen signed where a boxer traded future paydays or other rights for a fight to happen?

That doesn't happen as much these days, cos of legalities. The worst I have seen are from two major promoters, one from Florida and one from LA. Under their contracts if you are offered a fight and you refuse then that counts as one of the fights they are contractually obligated to give you. For example lets say the promotional stipulates that the promoter offer you one fight per year, they offer you a fight, you and your team, may decide they are not ready, or not enough money or whatever, that promoter has met his obligation to you by offering you a fight, you refused for whatever reason, it still counts. So the promoter is under no obligation to offer you another fight until the following year.
Folks learn to read the contract and dont be afraid to ask questions if you dont understand something that is your right.

[Thracian]

I am a writer and journalist, this is my book on MMA: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

A lot of the financial deals, I talk about, as there are a lot of methods for cheating fighters in MMA.

[nvs]

Originally Posted by dealt_with

Thanks for the education, now we know so you can go relax in the sauna

Ffs i will go to sauna because i have a flu. Now everything people need to know about sauna has been settled i can enjoy my time with peace in my mind

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by Thracian

I am a writer and journalist, this is my book on MMA: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

A lot of the financial deals, I talk about, as there are a lot of methods for cheating fighters in MMA.

You sold one to me, let me ask you do MMA guys have somebody that oversees the biz side of things? This local promoter I know here told me he was writing checks for $100, $200 I couldn't believe it. If anybody wants to know what boxing was like in the good old bad days. The trick here is to have amateur MMA matches on where the promoter keeps it all. Chuck Lidell was going to make $500,000 if he won a match which he lost his purse I believe was 200,000. It was a PPV, in a major venue. The promoter made about 5 million.

[ezzard_charles]

Originally Posted by dempsey1234

You sold one to me, let me ask you do MMA guys have somebody that oversees the biz side of things? This local promoter I know here told me he was writing checks for $100, $200 I couldn't believe it. If anybody wants to know what boxing was like in the good old bad days. The trick here is to have amateur MMA matches on where the promoter keeps it all. Chuck Lidell was going to make $500,000 if he won a match which he lost his purse I believe was 200,000. It was a PPV, in a major venue. The promoter made about 5 million.

Around how much do big time boxing promoters usually make per show?(Big non PPV fights)

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by ezzard_charles

Around how much do big time boxing promoters usually make per show?(Big non PPV fights)

It depends on who is fighting and what deal they make. The big promoters negotiate terms with the fighter based on what they think they will be pulling in. Paciquao or a Mayweather get a huge guarantee, based on all the revenue sources. A ballpark figure would be an 80-20% split of all revenue, which includes merchandising, TV, ticket sales and site fees. In the states the promoters are obligated by law to give the fighters these figures. I dont know about the UK and Europe. Some small promoters usually take as much as they can. Pac and his former promoter Murad Muhammad are a good example. Murad was given a budget of 750,000 for Pac to fight Barrera, Murad then offered Pac 300,000, Pac not knowing any better accepted. Murad got 450,000 for basically delivering Pac, cos Goldenboy did the show, and took care of Barrera's purse. Murad just sat back and collected his from HBO. When the heat from this hit the fan, Murad coughed up another 50,000 as a bonus to Pac, nice guy huh!

[Thracian]

Thanks for your business. Leave a review when you are done reading!

I wrote about the type of people who become managers in the MMA world. There is shitloads of mismanagement by people with no business knowledge, or lacking the balls to push back in a negotiation.

Organized crime also attacks the one smart manager who decided to promote his own shows (thus cutting his fighters in for WAY more money).

MMA is in a pretty bad place, and even the best guys are lucky if their manager isn't stealing from them.

[Thracian]

Chuck would have gotten PPV points, but it would have broken down to $3 a buy, tops.

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by Thracian

Chuck would have gotten PPV points, but it would have broken down to $3 a buy, tops.

Are there other ways to make it big in MMA other then the UFC? What options are there for the fighters? Would a boxing style manager work in the MMA world?

[Thracian]

There are a couple other orgs. But they do not have PPV. PPV, live gate and merchandise is all higher in the UFC. Even the contenders fighting for $20,000 or $50,000 dream of getting PPV points.

They are all strung along with the idea of WINNING the title, then getting those points.

But they still have to be draws to get the points, therefore, they are paying their own salaries, period.

Any manager who pushes back can be blackballed, as has happened a few times to different managers.

Think about it-- its a monopoly.

When Gary Shaw got in the game, with MMA promotion Elite XC, it was perceived as a threat (because it had Showtime/CBS's backing). But usually the competition dies quickly due to incompetence or stupidity, take your pick.

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by Thracian

There are a couple other orgs. But they do not have PPV. PPV, live gate and merchandise is all higher in the UFC. Even the contenders fighting for $20,000 or $50,000 dream of getting PPV points.

They are all strung along with the idea of WINNING the title, then getting those points.

But they still have to be draws to get the points, therefore, they are paying their own salaries, period.

Any manager who pushes back can be blackballed, as has happened a few times to different managers.

Think about it-- its a monopoly.

When Gary Shaw got in the game, with MMA promotion Elite XC, it was perceived as a threat (because it had Showtime/CBS's backing). But usually the competition dies quickly due to incompetence or stupidity, take your pick.

Both boxing and MMA are talent driven I would think that if you have the guy then they have to come to you. If you have a young strong up and coming Chuck Lidell, a powerful puncher who is charismatic why cant you build him up by matching him correctly, like they do in boxing? Excuse the questions I have no knowledge of MMA and I am trying to learn. When they match guys in MMA is any thought put into it? Or are they just thrown in like a survival of the fittest.

On the PPV it's the same in boxing, I dont know how specific it's in MMA in boxing it's X dollars on PPV buys over a certain amount.

[dempsey1234]

Originally Posted by Thracian

There are a couple other orgs. But they do not have PPV. PPV, live gate and merchandise is all higher in the UFC. Even the contenders fighting for $20,000 or $50,000 dream of getting PPV points.

They are all strung along with the idea of WINNING the title, then getting those points.

But they still have to be draws to get the points, therefore, they are paying their own salaries, period.

Any manager who pushes back can be blackballed, as has happened a few times to different managers.

Think about it-- its a monopoly.

When Gary Shaw got in the game, with MMA promotion Elite XC, it was perceived as a threat (because it had Showtime/CBS's backing). But usually the competition dies quickly due to incompetence or stupidity, take your pick.

Thracian, maybe you should think about starting a thread to help MMA guys. They seem to be fighting their asses off to feed the promoters, that is not right. These guys sacrifice and endure alot for what?