If Vitali or Wlad beats Pulev/Povetkin/Fury, will he rank above Lennox Lewis?

[DoctorIron]

Lennox Lewis literally fought a murderer's role of punchers:

Tua
Golota
Briggs
Mason
Ruddock
Morrison
Bruno
Grant
Vitali


even the 2002 shot version of Tyson was still considered a very very big puncher for the first 3 rounds. In fact, I will say that the 2002 version of Tyson was a BIGGER puncher than anybody Vitali have fought outside of Semi Shot Lewis.

I don't know if Sanders was a bigger puncher than 02 Tyson even..


Lewis have staked his claim and staked it well as one of the best h2h heavyweights and Resume heavyweights of all times.

There is nothing anybody can do about the fact that old semi shot Lewis close to 38 tko6ed Prime Vitali.
Nothing.

It is set in stone.

[DoctorIron]

People talk down about Golota now because he never lived up to potential.


The truth of the matter was that Golota coming off beatings delivered against Riddick Bowe was a slight favorite against Lewis.
At best the fight was a 50/50 or 60/40 to Lewis.

Nobody predicated that was going to be a ko1, and that Lewis literally took him to school within one round.


When was the last time Wlad or Vitali took someone as dangerous as Prime Golota out in one round?

Golota showed a great jab, beautiful combinations, good footwork, good boxing skills, great power, and good counter punching abilities in his career leading up to Lewis.

Just because Lewis ruined guys like Golota, Grant, Tua don't mean we should under appreciate what they truly were.

[DoctorIron]

Lewis in his 15th pro fight fought 35-0 Champion Gary Mason. Who was known as a deadly ko Artist and his record matched that claim. 99% KO Ratio.




Vitali in his 15th fight fought Alben Belinski. Who wasn't even a real boxer.

The guy had five fights at the time he fought Vitali and finished his career with 9 total fights.
The guy was an account and actually boxed for fun.

Wlad in his 15th fight was fighting some 17-37 journeyman.
(ironically in his 24 or 25th fight another journeyman beat him)

[ElCep]

Originally Posted by Synthetic Decay

Shot Tyson, substantially faded holy and Klit, which was even. Yeah the former could potentially be better.

Pulev and Povetkin will never be as good as that 'faded' version of Holyfield.

[DoctorIron]

Anybody who don't consider that version of HOlyfield elite is a fuking moron.

8 Years after Holyfield fought Lewis.. he arguably beat that 7 foot behemoth.


He was very much still elite when Lewis dominated him and won 17 of 24 rounds.

Whatever was LEFT in terms of elite status was beaten out of him by Lennox's big right hand.



Fucking haters hating on Lennox have an agenda and they know what it is. I'm sorry that Lewis didn't get to have the same paint job as the Klitschko brothers.

[Cael]

Originally Posted by ElCep

Pulev and Povetkin will never be as good as that 'faded' version of Holyfield.

bUT byrd and Haye maybe even Ibragimov are

[Cael]

Originally Posted by DoctorIron

Anybody who don't consider that version of HOlyfield elite is a fuking moron.

8 Years after Holyfield fought Lewis.. he arguably beat that 7 foot behemoth.


He was very much still elite when Lewis dominated him and won 17 of 24 rounds.

Whatever was LEFT in terms of elite status was beaten out of him by Lennox's big right hand.



Fucking haters hating on Lennox have an agenda and they know what it is. I'm sorry that Lewis didn't get to have the same paint job as the Klitschko brothers.

Yeah sure..., how convenient for you to say that.

[Man_Machine]

This question doesn't deserve more than a page of comment. Why are we still here?

Lewis is many, many times better, greater, superior than either Klitschko. Beat the face off Vitali (when out of condition and disinterested). Wlad will never look good because he has no one to look good against and was beaten by Sanders, who was under the mentoring of Lewis. Wlad has been beaten by anyone, who is remotely world class and now fights cans to keep the money and his pathetic legacy rolling.

The names Povetkin, Fury and Pulev don't add anything more to his legacy than the last 20+ fights he's had. They are not world class and certainly do not deserve a mention in comparison to the resume of Lewis.

[Cael]

Lewis does have a better win then anything on Wlads resume, and that win is Vitali.

That version of Holyfield he beat, probably wont be top 3 on Wlad's resume in terms of prowness.
Name and recognition? yes...but in terms of ability and risk, that Holyfield doesnt come close to Vitali.


IF you want to make a case for Lewis having superior wins to Wlad. then frankly, Holyfield shouldnt be your first choice of reason.

[Nonito Smoak]

Wladimir's wins over Byrd X2, Peter X2, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Chambers, Brewster II, Brock, Thompson X2, and Mercer are nowhere near Lennox's amazingly superior list of Holyfield X2, Vitali, Ruddock, Tyson, Tua, Bruno, Tucker, Golata, Rahman II, Morrison, Grant and McCall II.

Absolutely no case in hell could be made for either Klitschko over Lennox. None. The proof is in the pudding. And it would take several more years at least for Wladimir to come into debate at his current going. Just to throw out an idea, I'd say an ideal yet somewhat ever so slightly remotely possible finish for Wladimir would go something like this, with the hopes that the opponents remain unbeaten until my accompanied date: 2013- Povetkin, Pulev, 2014- Fury, Wilder, Cunningham, 2015- Jennings, Price, 2016- Haye II, retire at 67-3.

[tezel8764]

Originally Posted by Cael

Lewis does have a better win then anything on Wlads resume, and that win is Vitali.

That version of Holyfield he beat, probably wont be top 3 on Wlad's resume in terms of prowness.
Name and recognition? yes...but in terms of ability and risk, that Holyfield doesnt come close to Vitali.

IF you want to make a case for Lewis having superior wins to Wlad. then frankly, Holyfield shouldnt be your first choice of reason.

Vitali was just the icing on the cake of an already illustrious career.

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/6/6a/H...ewisPoster.jpg

Holyfield win is superior to any singular win on Wladimir's resume. He was the lineal champion. Cael you have some weird logic; Terms of Ability & Risk? Holyfield was still of the elite at that particular time it just so happened that Lewis beat him in impressive fashion both outings.

Only Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis and Larry Holmes beat more rated Heavyweight contenders/champions.

Great Heavyweights vs Top 10 Opposition (sorted by wins):

Muhammad Ali: 32-5
Joe Louis: 30-3
Larry Holmes: 20-5
Lennox Lewis: 15-2-1
Mike Tyson: 13-4
Rocky Marciano: 11-0
Evander Holyfield: 11-7-2
Joe Frazier: 10-4
Sonny Liston: 8-4
George Foreman: 7-5

[JediPimp007]

Originally Posted by Cael

i know MVC is trying to bait a reaction from klitards

But seriously speaking now, Wladimir already has a more impressive and longer reign then Lewis.

The reason why Lewis still is widely regarded as a greater HW, is because of his wins over Fields and Tyson who were by that point significantly lesser fighters then in their prime.

Wladimir doesnt have those big names in his resume, and for some reason he also rubs ppl. the wrong way which reflects on the anti-klitschko sentiment that persists on this forums.

Oh come on, even the shot to hell version of Tyson that Lewis beat is still FAR better than anyone Wlad has on his resume. The only thing the Klits will be remembered for is being dominant over the weakest ever HW era in boxing history. 90% of the guys they have faced don't even enter the ring in fighting shape.

[On The Money]

Originally Posted by JediPimp007

Oh come on, even the shot to hell version of Tyson that Lewis beat is still FAR better than anyone Wlad has on his resume. The only thing the Klits will be remembered for is being dominant over the weakest ever HW era in boxing history. 90% of the guys they have faced don't even enter the ring in fighting shape.

The 80's were a weaker era, you had better Americans and obviously Tyson but didn't have any Eastern Europeans. Overall the 80's were worse. As far as 02 Tyson being better than anyone on Wlad's resume, irrelevant as Wlad KO's that Tyson anyway. And he struggled a bit with the likes of Nilesen and Botha, so I doubt he walks through Peter, Byrd, Haye or Inbragimov. In fact he might get KO'd.

[Cael]

Originally Posted by JediPimp007

Oh come on, even the shot to hell version of Tyson that Lewis beat is still FAR better than anyone Wlad has on his resume. The only thing the Klits will be remembered for is being dominant over the weakest ever HW era in boxing history. 90% of the guys they have faced don't even enter the ring in fighting shape.

..you must be either retarded or a troll.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by On The Money

The 80's were a weaker era, you had better Americans and obviously Tyson but didn't have any Eastern Europeans. Overall the 80's were worse. As far as 02 Tyson being better than anyone on Wlad's resume, irrelevant as Wlad KO's that Tyson anyway. And he struggled a bit with the likes of Nilesen and Botha, so I doubt he walks through Peter, Byrd, Haye or Inbragimov. In fact he might get KO'd.

The 80's was a weak era because of drugs. The contenders then were far more talented though.