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Old 01-22-2013, 01:35 AM   #286
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A little stats I just added up.. At work bored as hell..

At the time when Joe and Roy fought

Roy Jones Age 39

weight progression 154-160-168-175-HW-175

aprrox rounds fought 364

Joe Calzaghe Age 36

weight progression 168-175

aprrox rounds fought 260

Not only was Joe 3 years younger, but he had fought way less rounds and his weight progression only covered 2 weight classes.. Roy was older, his body clearly had way more miles on it... He had fought nearly 100 more rounds as well...

Joe was by far the fresher fighter, and when you look at those numbers, more than the 3 years age difference seperated them... Roy was shot to bits, not on an elite level anymore.. Anyone that argues that needs to take a pill, and come back to reality... Acting as if Joe was the faded one is delusional at best.

Lets also not forget Joe's 10 yr stretch were he fought nothing but journey men after his coming out party against a washed up Eubanks !
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:37 AM   #287
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I won't take anymore of this calzaghe hate I can't stand it calzaghe is the reason why I changed from Mma to boxing if any if u jones lovers want some pm me I'll show u a calzaghe beatsown
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:31 AM   #288
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Hell I'll show you some Calzaghe beatdowns. Look at all those guys left out cold.

BORKED

This ***** would have like 12 KOs if it weren't for British refs.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:00 AM   #289
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Was Joe Calzaghe's masterclass versus Roy Jones the most underated boxing performance of the past 30 years. If you remember correctly, Roy had now adapted his body back to 175 and was back on a good winning streak, dismantling Trinidad who had destroyed Mayorga and William Joppy as he cruised through the weight divisions. The fight was only Calzaghe's 2nd at the weight and he travelled to america despite the likes of Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Tarver, and Johnson all predicting that Jones would beat him. What made the performance even more amazing imo was that Calzaghe recovered from a brutal illegal forearm in the 1st round, only to get up and completely bamboozle Jones with superb lateral movement and delicious 4 and 5 piece combinations throughout. What makes the win even better in my eyes is that after the fight, Roy then went on to produce a clinical exhibition V Jeff Lacy and then gave his own virtuoso masterclass versus Glen Johnson conqueror Omar Sheika proving that he still had plenty left in the tank. Your thoughts please?
Wow ... talk about putting a spin on things..
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:10 AM   #290
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Goyourownway,

I hope for your own sake that you're trolling.

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For years I had been told of this amazing phenom that was practically invincible,untouchable,even.The long reigning P4P king that barely broke a sweat in the ring and treated world class fighters as if they were mere sparring partners.I bought into the hype and,quite frankly,was quite worried for Calzaghe's health.
So you'd heard about him for years, yet when you saw the fight, you hadn't realised that he was almost 40, and he'd been dominated and knocked cold by Glen Johnson, over 4 years EARLIER?

Right, I see. You didn't know Roy in 2004, and saw what happened.
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:18 AM   #291
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It was an awesome performance by Joe. He showed he had the same speed and reflexes of Roy Jones Jr. but far better overall boxing skills and fundamentals. Joe was 37, Roy 39 so the whole young vs. old warrior was total bull. Joe had fragile hands when they fought and Roy wasn't quite the athlete he used to be. Both guys were older fighters but Joe proved who was the better man, fighter and warrior when Roy finally had the guts to face Joe.
Time and sensible boxing historians who now and in the future will not all be U.S. based will rate the undefeated fighter Joe Calzaghe as a top 10 all-time great fighter. Greats like Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Chris Eubank freely acknowledge Joe as one of the greatest boxers they have ever seen. Joe Calzaghe is an all-time great fighter along the lines of Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson and should be recognized as such by a this website as such. Unfortunately, there a a lot of anti-white posters on this excellent boxing site who love to disparage the credentials of great caucasian fighters like Joe Calzaghe, Vitali and Wlad Klitschko, etc. and get away with their racial hatred. How many times have we all seen the vile racist term "white boy" levelled against a caucasian adult male fighter and no consequences follow. Racism sucks regardless of the target. Let's kick off all the racist scum who post on this site regardless of race.
I would actually place Joe higher than Robinson and Ray.

They suffered losses, and Joe was never beat. So they can't have been as good can they?

It's a toss up for me, on who was the greatest ever fighter.

It's either Joe or Marciano.

Marciano had 3 more fights, but Joe has a great tattoo.

It's a tough one.

I'd say if they'd have fought, Joe's workrate would have pulled out the win.

Nobody could match his workrate, and his stamina.

Don't get me wrong, Marciano would be dangerous, because he had a bit of power, but it wouldn't have been enough in my opinion.

All things considered, I think Joe has to be the greatest fighter in history.

Aint nobody knocking Veit out like he did!

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Old 01-22-2013, 06:29 AM   #292
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I would actually place Joe higher than Robinson and Ray.

They suffered losses, and Joe was never beat. So they can't have been as good can they?

It's a toss up for me, on who was the greatest ever fighter.

It's either Joe or Marciano.

Marciano had 3 more fights, but Joe has a great Tattoo.

It's a tough one.

I'd say if they'd have fought, Joe's workrate would have pulled out the win.

Nobody could match his workrate, and his stamina.

Don't get me wrong, Marciano would be dangerous, because he had a bit of power, but it wouldn't have been enough in my opinion.

All things considered, I think Joe has to be the greatest fighter in history.

Aint nobody knocking Veit out like he did!
Sarcasm at its highest order!
Nice one mate!
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:38 AM   #293
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in all seriousness, Calzaghe was much better than his resume that was a bit shitty. Calzaghe is the best super middle of all time, and would cause any light heavy in history problems.

he threw a lot of slaps, but also a lot of power punches. people put too much weight on his performance against Hopkins, which wasn't his best and didn't make him look good.
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:48 AM   #294
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Sarcasm at its highest order!
Nice one mate!
I'm serious! Ha!

How's it going mate?

Can you remember when you told me about that MMA fighter, that fights guys above his weight?

What's his name?

I can't find the old post. I'll check him out.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:30 PM   #295
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Wow..

looking at the numbers i posted above really gave Calzaghe fanatics a dose of reality.. Not one has replied..

Perhaps being glared at by simple statistics that clearly show how many more miles were on Roy's body versus Joe's have finally done the trick.. There are a few ways to try and spin this, but they would be anything other than intelligent, and wouldn't consist of proving Roy was a legacy fight for Joe... Considering that most Calzaghe fans are delusional, I am disappointed with their resolve honestly.

Roy was much more shot that Joe, to the point where they can't be compared in that way... This simply can't be argued.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:37 PM   #296
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an equivalent topic on the classic boards would be those arguing that joey archer's beat down of ray robinson made him a better fighter than ray in their primes.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:31 AM   #297
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Didn't Floyd Mayweather almost get KO'd by shot Mosley? Was that no less of a masterclass?
More like a mismatch from the beginning. Masterclass you might want to watch Floyd-Hatton.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:19 AM   #298
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Mind Reader,

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This simply can't be argued.
Ha! It can if your name begins with a B, and it ends with a Y.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:42 AM   #299
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Mind Reader,



Ha! It can if your name begins with a B, and it ends with a Y.
Bony?
Barfly?
Bigotry?
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:01 AM   #300
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Bony?
Barfly?
Bigotry?
Ha! I'll give you a clue.

He's the most argumentative person that's ever lived! However, this forum wouldn't be the same without him.
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