razor ruddock of 1990 vs george foreman of 1990 who wins and why???

[highguard]

hahaha this is all FUNNY

BECAUSE, foreman would NEVER, EVER,EVER get into the ring with him,

who wins is hard to say
but its interesting that everyone will tell you how big and powerful
foreman was, and no one could stand up to him and had to move

BUT in the 80's and early 90's he fought cruiseweights mostly

and you mention ruddock

ok but foreman who you say never had nothing to fear from strong guys that would stand in front of him
some how never fought

RUDDOCK,
BONECRUSHER SMITH
FRANK BRUNO
RIDDICK BOWE
TIM WITHERSPOON
OLIVER MCCALL


ALL guys who might give george a reason to start moving around
and all guys who have a good shot to beat
a few to be in reality the fav to win



please dont mention cooney who fought once in 5 years

[highguard]

FOREMAN usually fought guys that could not stand up to him
and picked those guys well

thats why he didnt not touch anyone from this list

[NoNeck]

Originally Posted by TBooze

Ruddock could box, and in 1990 against Foreman, it would soon become obvious to him if he wants to win, that is what he would need to do. And I suspect he probably will and just do enough to edge the decision.

I agree. Another thing is Foreman in no way would close the gap like Tyson, so Ruddock wouldn't feel forced to brawl. I see it mimicking the Bonecrusher fight except nobody gets knocked down or stopped unless maybe Ruddock goes down and gets up quickly.

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by highguard

hahaha this is all FUNNY

BECAUSE, foreman would NEVER, EVER,EVER get into the ring with him,

who wins is hard to say
but its interesting that everyone will tell you how big and powerful
foreman was, and no one could stand up to him and had to move

BUT in the 80's and early 90's he fought cruiseweights mostly

and you mention ruddock

ok but foreman who you say never had nothing to fear from strong guys that would stand in front of him
some how never fought

RUDDOCK,
BONECRUSHER SMITH
FRANK BRUNO
RIDDICK BOWE
TIM WITHERSPOON
OLIVER MCCALL


ALL guys who might give george a reason to start moving around
and all guys who have a good shot to beat
a few to be in reality the fav to win



please dont mention cooney who fought once in 5 years

He made Morrison, Holy, Cooper, Briggs fight off of the back foot, four guys who i wouldn't call weak.

[energie]

Originally Posted by ETM

Did he really? Because most people who saw him fight kniow that he fell in love with his power and was a one handed lefthooker.

His jab was shit.

go watch ruddock/weaver.......ruddock/broad....ruddock/alexander....ruddock/richardson you can see early in ruddocks career he lived off the jab....can sumbody post ruddock sparring with holmes from youtube its on there...ruddock in 1986 weighing 215 lbs helping larry holmes prepare for his rematch wit michael spinks...ruddock throws a lot of jabs in those 2 rds of sparring

[Theron]

Originally Posted by highguard

hahaha this is all FUNNY

BECAUSE, foreman would NEVER, EVER,EVER get into the ring with him,

who wins is hard to say
but its interesting that everyone will tell you how big and powerful
foreman was, and no one could stand up to him and had to move

BUT in the 80's and early 90's he fought cruiseweights mostly

and you mention ruddock

ok but foreman who you say never had nothing to fear from strong guys that would stand in front of him
some how never fought

RUDDOCK,
BONECRUSHER SMITH
FRANK BRUNO
RIDDICK BOWE
TIM WITHERSPOON
OLIVER MCCALL


ALL guys who might give george a reason to start moving around
and all guys who have a good shot to beat
a few to be in reality the fav to win



please dont mention cooney who fought once in 5 years

Heyyy arent you the guy that said Tysons arms arent big they just seem that way imma listen to your posts your obviously a smart guy

[Jamal Perkins]

Originally Posted by ETM

Id bet quite a bit on Foreman.

Big George was vunerable to guys that could stick and move and avoid his power. Guys that were elusive. Ruddock didnt have the ring IQ to do this.

Foreman knew how to set up his power shots better than Razor Ruddock. He could time him and most importantly he would stuff that big jab in Razor`s grill over and over. Foreman would catch him wide open and off balance as Ruddock often was.

George Foreman just to smart and experianced to lose to Ruddock. I think he would put Ruddock down a few times before the referee got tired of counting and stopped it.

Foreman TKO 7th

Very very interesting fight and a highly competitive one. A real shame the idiot New York boxing writers cabal of 6-7 individuals were too busy disparaging Foremans comeback with vindictive zeal and ignorance to realise this would have been a blockbuster.
Ruddock circa 87-89 was actually a highly mobile HW he could really move. But he abandoned this strategy in his career around the 2nd Tyson fight.
So in theory Ruddock has the tools to move and box but as you say he really lacked the ring IQ or discipline to do this. Ruddock was very cocky in the ring.
I see his blistering smash being negated by Foremans cross arm defence and Foreman would not have a problem with ruddocks power after all his second incarnation showed one of the best chins in HW history and noted punchers stewart,morrison,Moorer and Cooney couldnt dent him.
FOREMAN patiently walks him down, there is a knockdown or 2 along the way before he stops him for good in the 7th.
POST EDIT: I ACCIDENTALLY PUT RUDDOCK walks him down on last post I meant Foreman!!

[Stevie G]

George eventually wears Ruddock down.


Foreman by late rounds tko.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Theron

Heyyy arent you the guy that said Tysons arms arent big they just seem that way imma listen to your posts your obviously a smart guy

yes that was me,
i also said it has nothing to do with boxing

and if you ever went to a gym, you would know a grown man with 17inch arms
is nothing special and is actually kinda on the smallish side for a heavyweight

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Synthetic Decay

He made Morrison, Holy, Cooper, Briggs fight off of the back foot, four guys who i wouldn't call weak.

holy and cooper were natural crusieweights

and i do remember holyfield standing up to foreman for much of the fight


that being said

i made a list of big strong heavyweights
of that time period

and foreman who liked pushing guys around the ring
SOMEHOW,

managed not to fight A SINGLE ONE of them


maybe it was cause he knew might not be able to
do so

[Addie]

Foreman would win. Decision or late stoppage.

I really like Ruddock. Good puncher. Pretty trunks. That being said, by the time he was an established name he had discarded his underrated jab and instead tried to bang everyone out. You don't bang Foreman out. Instead, you hit him hard, repeatedly, until you start to become discouraged, and if you have nothing else to fall back on then he's going to hurt you. Razor had fantastic recuperative powers so in the event of a knockdown it's possible he could survive, but once plan A fails it's all downhill for Razor.

[D9Garrard]

Nobody beats the Foreman of 1990 in 1990 except for Evander Holyfield and even that was a competitive fight for Holyfield at his best.

Ruddock was not nearly as mentally strong as Foreman and would've cracked under pressure.

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by highguard

yes that was me,
i also said it has nothing to do with boxing

and if you ever went to a gym, you would know a grown man with 17inch arms
is nothing special and is actually kinda on the smallish side for a heavyweight

Do you know anything about natural training? I'm guessing no.

A sub 8% bodyfat 17 inch arm on someone of normal height is big. It's not particularly big for anyone that's fat or is on gear.

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by highguard

holy and cooper were natural crusieweights

and i do remember holyfield standing up to foreman for much of the fight


that being said

i made a list of big strong heavyweights
of that time period

and foreman who liked pushing guys around the ring
SOMEHOW,

managed not to fight A SINGLE ONE of them


maybe it was cause he knew might not be able to
do so

No. Every one of them was on the backfoot the whole fight. Holyfield outmuscled Tyson, he was no weakling. Briggs, Morrison, Cooper were big strong guys and they all fought off of the backfoot.

[PowerPuncher]

Foreman was too slow and too easy to outbox by this stage. Against another puncher, I see him been beat to the punch and knocked out. Ofcourse he has a punchers chance but he also has a good chance of being sparked cold himself. In his prime he went life and death with Lyle, an older Foreman is allot slower with allot less fighting gas in his tank and doesn't do aswell in such a brawl

Rudduck KO5

Originally Posted by highguard

yes that was me,
i also said it has nothing to do with boxing

and if you ever went to a gym, you would know a grown man with 17inch arms
is nothing special and is actually kinda on the smallish side for a heavyweight

I thought Tyson had 15/16 inch arms, could be wrong, not massive arms but conjusive to explosive punching