Why were many old time boxers so scrawny looking

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by highguard

idiot, interesting
you didnt answer the question about ever doing any
combat sports yourself

WHY????
cause you havent and all you can do is talk theory
with no experience


leave your smartass remarks to yourself
and stop talking about things you know nothing about

I know, I'm saying you're right - your extensive practical experience has exposed you to higher knowledge such as "nonathletic looking people are often actually NON ATHLETIC" whereas I, as you so accurately determined, am but a physical minnow, unable to tell my tendon insertion points from my muscle fibers. Now please stop having a go at me.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Seeing as their are fighters on here, fighters probably far more accomplished than yourself, that validate the old school fighters as superior, you should stop posting your spasticated monginess and fuck off back to the General.

i dont doubt your one of these guys who thinks
that training with weights is useless
and you yourself have not done boxing or any other combat sport

your probably stupid enough to think that
running makes you muscular lol


lets put it this way

some
tell will you
dont lift too much weights
you will end being bulky and stiff like a bodybuilder...


but forget to tell you

dont run to much,
you will end being weak,lanky with no muscles
like a long distance runner


ohh with a shitload of knee and ankle problems

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by highguard

wow someone is inscure about weight training lol

yes idiot
any training with weights is bodybuilding
lol

go join a gym before opening your retarded mouth

I can tell from your posts you know jack about bodybuilding or boxing, i'll personal train you if you like and then maybe you will know what the fuck you are talking about.

It's obvious to anyone but a count to potato type of guy the reasoning behind physiques differing down the era's.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Manassa

I know, I'm saying you're right - your extensive practical experience has exposed you to higher knowledge such as "nonathletic looking people are often actually NON ATHLETIC" whereas I, as you so accurately determined, am but a physical minnow, unable to tell my tendon insertion points from my muscle fibers. Now please stop having a go at me.

again a remark,
answer the question
have you boxed yourself or done any combat sport

its a simple
yes or no

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Synthetic Decay

I can tell from your posts you know jack about bodybuilding or boxing, i'll personal train you if you like and then maybe you will know what the fuck you are talking about.

It's obvious to anyone but a count to potato type of guy the reasoning behind physiques differing down the era's.

i dont you can box a round with me

and tell what the fuck can you teach me about boxing or bodybuilding or grappling or anything

when you probably never worked out a day in your life

fuck as soon as someone mentions weights
all you guys get insecure


and you knew anything about weights, you would not be on the side
that says all weight training is not boxers

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by highguard

again a remark,
answer the question
have you boxed yourself or done any combat sport

its a simple
yes or no

I'm afraid to say. You might call me out.

[Synthetic Decay]

Originally Posted by highguard

i dont you can box a round with me

and tell what the fuck can you teach me about boxing or bodybuilding or grappling or anything

when you probably never worked out a day in your life

fuck as soon as someone mentions weights
all you guys get insecure


and you knew anything about weights, you would not be on the side
that says all weight training is not boxers

I didn't say anything about weight training not being for boxers. Who doesn't resistance train in modern pro sport?


Edited the rest.

[Seamus]

I get totally shredded.

[Boilermaker]

Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

Yeah boxers back then only did exercises that would be beneficial to a boxer. Running, sparring, skipping, speed and heavy bag plus push ups, sit ups, wrist and neck exercises was basically all that was done, because that was all that was needed. Additional exercises like swimming, rowing and axe training all had benefits to a boxer compared to something like bicep curl which has no benefits beyond aesthetics.

I think that this is a very interesting point. I can remember many years ago, where a mate of mine, who was about the same strength as me, before he went on a steroid and weight lifting kick to the point where he could lift probably twice as much as me, maybe more. I never have really lifted weights for the simple reason that i find them boring and am too lazy. I was at the time though able to do 100 pushups and sit ups with ease (at a very fast pace) and i could run as fast as anyone. Naturally he was probably about 5 kg bigger than me but at the time he was probably about 20-25 kg.

I can remember that one night he had just bought some knew gadget where you had to pull it out and push it in as many times as you could. He told me how hard it was when I laughed at hims because he could not do any more than about 20 or so. We agreed to a challenge and i ended up doing 21 with ease. (admittedly i may have cheated a bit by using my back and body rather than the strict technique that was supposed to be used). NOt happy at losing (we had the challenger a couple of times), he challenged me to an arm wrestle to determine superiority. Again, i beat him (to my surprise).

The point being, that the weight lifting he did had massive benefits for strength, but it seemed to benefit certain areas more. In boxing terms, I think this is born out. It must improve a punch a bit, but not to the extent that it improves ability to do other things such as lifting. I am not convinced that the current gym trainers wouldnt be better off going out and doing some heavy yard work or furniture removal or something similar to achieve the same results without the weight gain. Although maybe i am wrong.

My personal theory is that the problem with most weight training is that weight lift technique requires lifting only with the arm muscle for example where as proper punching requires use of the back shoulder leg etc. If i was training full time and required a weight lifting resume, i think i would have to limit it to throwing punches with weights in my hand, and maybe running or sparring with strap on weights. Anything else would seem wasteful to me. But maybe i am wrong.

[Synthetic Decay]

Doing Olympic lifts with proper technique will add to power, strength and coordination.

Sprinters, footballers, clued up boxers all do compound movements.

Compound movements are nothing but beneficial, squats, deads, bench will build all round strength.

Doing reps and reps of an isolation exercise like curls isn't going to help you much no.

Also arm wrestling is very technical and some people have far more natural aptitude for it than others.

[The Kurgan]

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No contest. The old timers were much bigger and more muscular, because as multiple people have implicitly said in this thread, the right comparison is between >130 lbers and <230 lbers.

[Shake]

Originally Posted by highguard

i dont you can box a round with me

and tell what the fuck can you teach me about boxing or bodybuilding or grappling or anything

when you probably never worked out a day in your life

fuck as soon as someone mentions weights
all you guys get insecure


and you knew anything about weights, you would not be on the side
that says all weight training is not boxers

i will fight u

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by Synthetic Decay

Doing Olympic lifts with proper technique will add to power, strength and coordination.

Sprinters, footballers, clued up boxers all do compound movements.

Compound movements are nothing but beneficial, squats, deads, bench will build all round strength.

Doing reps and reps of an isolation exercise like curls isn't going to help you much no.

Also arm wrestling is very technical and some people have far more natural aptitude for it than others.

I'll back this.

I'm rather large and rather ripped, thanks to very knowledgeable people around me training me, and this is pretty much what we do. I haven't done a curl in camp in a decade.

And agreed on the arm wrestling. I've armwrestled Johnny Brzenk, him for fun, me for curiosity. That little SOB pulled me so fast my head spinned.

[Theron]

Originally Posted by highguard

i am talking about fighters from like the 1930's to like 1950's

but looking at them, some of them didnt look like they ever been to a gym

i always found this kind of odd

but still boxing and body weight excersies alone
should give atleast an in shape look

I forgot this isnt an ''in shape'' look

[highguard]

Originally Posted by Shake

i will fight u

you wont lol



and the whole thing about compound excersies vs isolation ones

compound ones are much better for a fighter for sure
but isolation are good if you had injuries, like if your coming off a shoulder surgery etc


all that being said
a boxer who has not done weight training
and just starts stuff like deadlifts from the start
instead of isolation stuff is more prone to be injuried

like a friend of mine, who is a middleweight amatuer with about 60 fights
wanted to weights but "not bodybuilding"

so started with deadlifts and injuried his back a bit
and had to take 2 weeks off


and yes he was being coached,
just his body was used to that kind of stress


so i think some isolation work is needed for a newbie to weights
before compound ones