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Old 01-24-2013, 09:44 AM   #121
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Default Re: Jack Dempsey vs James Toney @ 190 Catchweight

Jack Dempsey would knock that fat steroid-infested tub of lard back down to middleweight.

Now stop this silly thread.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:40 PM   #122
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1. Learn what a jab is, it's not a left hook
2. Find a Dempsey fight where he throws more than 5 jabs, he doesn't
Uh, what the **** are you talking about?

Not every jab has to be thrown while you're standing stationary like an amateur.

That's not a ****in jab, that's playing tag.

Dempsey threw a REAL jab. The type of jab that guys like Ward throw today.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:50 PM   #123
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Baloney. Dempsey's offense was predicated on coming in with his lands low, looking to throw hooks. Dempsey only occasionally thew jabs. The stuff about his jab being more like a right hand is nonsense.


Oh yes he is. And Dempsey is vulnerable on the way in. Carpentier rocked him, Toney stops him.


Like Pacquiao, really? Pacquiao throws a straight left from a southpaw stance. Dempsey was a hooker and not a southpaw. Dempsey's foot speed isn't going to be an issue here because he's not going to have to hunt Toney down, nor is he going to be trying to stay away from him. Dempsey bobbed and weaved with his hands low, he's open to getting hit on the way in.

Carpentier also fought with his hands down, but he moved like Martinez, and he gave Dempsey some problems because of his movement.

Regardless, Dempsey still caught up to him and stopped him.

What part of stationary do you not understand? Toney is a stationary target. He has great defense, but he does not use his feet to get away from his opponents.

Why wouldn't Dempsey use his footwork? Do you know anything about angles?

You can't just come straight in, and Dempsey didn't. He used feints, and angles before he came in with his attack. He didn't move in straight lines.

And why do I bring up Pacquaio, because of the punching mechanics. It has nothing to do with him being a southpaw. It's just that if anyone has the same type of explosive ability in today's game as Dempsey, it's Pacquaio.

And it has a lot to do with his punching mechanics.

Clearly, you don't understand what you're watching. You need some experience.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:27 PM   #124
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Uh, what the **** are you talking about?

Not every jab has to be thrown while you're standing stationary like an amateur.

That's not a ****in jab, that's playing tag.

Dempsey threw a REAL jab. The type of jab that guys like Ward throw today.
You're wrong and no offense but I don't think you know what a jab is. You're possibly confusing a jab with a long or short hook. It has nothing to do with being stationary or not, it's a punch. I'm guessing your new to boxing or haven't seen much Dempsey, either of which is fine

Again if you want to highlight youtube footage and times you think Dempsey throws a jab, do so

Dempsey not jabbing doesn't necessarily make him a bad fighter, Frazier doesn't either, Tyson and Roy Jones at times dispense with the jab too
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:28 PM   #125
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You're wrong and no offense but I don't think you know what a jab is. You're possibly confusing a jab with a long or short hook. It has nothing to do with being stationary or not, it's a punch. I'm guessing your new to boxing or haven't seen much Dempsey, either of which is fine

Again if you want to highlight youtube footage and times you think Dempsey throws a jab, do so

Dempsey not jabbing doesn't necessarily make him a bad fighter, Frazier doesn't either, Tyson and Roy Jones at times dispense with the jab too
There is no footage on youtube of Dempsey taking a dump, but it is fair to assume that he did it.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:50 PM   #126
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Toney is on his heels the entire fight trying to stave off Dempsey, at the very best Toney goes the distance in a losing efffort
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:10 PM   #127
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There is no footage on youtube of Dempsey taking a dump, but it is fair to assume that he did it.
You'd think the hours of fight footage would give a slight indication of how he fights
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:12 PM   #128
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You'd think the hours of fight footage would give a slight indication of how he fights
What if we had a similar number and duration of Joe Louis's fights to judge him by?

We would obviously be missing out on a lot.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:25 PM   #129
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So Roach is making a statement about something that he hasn't actually seen. At least he isn't going off on a homophobic mma tirade i guess.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:22 PM   #130
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I love how people are acting like Dempsey is some technical boxer or something who had all guns in his arsenal. In fact, it was the exact opposite of that, and he lacked quite a bit of technical firepower. I see Toney winning a comfortable decision, but would take some heavy shots from Dempsey and lose some rouds cause of Dempsey work rate.. Problem is, Dempsey couldn't keep up such a workrate.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:43 PM   #131
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Lets just stop this thread and leave it,
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:07 PM   #132
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Lets just stop this thread and leave it,
**** that
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:05 PM   #133
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Bump.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:42 AM   #134
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Dempsey inside of 2 rounds.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:52 PM   #135
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Dempsey would win, but it wouldn't be easy. Toney was a middle & super-middle. He wasn't that great when he was heavier than that. Period.
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