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Old 01-24-2013, 01:28 PM   #76
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Yes, and he and Joe Jeannette had a great time saying how Jeffries was going to kill Johnson.

One wonders how the black guys who were influenced enough to bet against their own man took the result?

"Yassuh Boss ise comin."

Dempsey was Langford's "own man" vs Willard? Interesting, I thought they were both white the last time I looked.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:30 PM   #77
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No ,going for the best $$$$$$ was his M. O. What a sucker.
Didn't he know the internet was coming and it's infinite potential to judge, mythologize and degrade?!

Greb knew this shit and destroyed all the films of him fighting!

Now, who is smarter?
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:31 PM   #78
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Dempsey asked Greb to train him for the first Tunney fight.
I forget how much Greb wanted but he did say after refusing Dempsey's lower offer,"besides I hope to fight you myself,",Dempsey replied ,"who'd pay to see that fight?"

I'd like to see some concrete, big money offers for Dempsey to fight Greb. So far , I never have.
You never will if you keep your eyes closed. This is the same as people saying there were no concrete offers for Dempsey to fight Wills. There were dozens of offers to fight both men. Dempsey ignoring them does not mean they were not serious offers. It means Dempsey was serious about avoiding them.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:48 PM   #79
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Dempsey was Langford's "own man" vs Willard? Interesting, I thought they were both white the last time I looked.

Perhaps it's me?

I type that Langford ,and Jeannette picked Jeffries to whip Johnson, not only whip him but beat the shit out of him. I speculate how the black punters who were influenced by their emphatic opinions in the papers leading up to the fight? Now it's Willard in the frame?

That's my last two posts misconstrued by Lufcrazy, and yourself.

Maybe it's a cue for me to move on?

N. B. I don't keep my eyes closed , I trawl for boxing information all the time in old news reports etc, and I've unearthed reams of offers for X to fight Y. What I haven't unearthed are ----

ANY CONCRETE, BIG MONEY OFFERS FOR DEMPSEY TO DEFEND AGAINST GREB .

As you no doubt have 20/20 vision /xray eyes enabling you to spot what us mortals have missed.


Perhaps you would like to share these offers with us ,thereby adding invaluable input to the thread , and informing me at the same time?


Are you always so rude , or only when you are on a key board?


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I don't know how concrete these offers were, but they are food for thought.
Steve Klompton posted them elsewhere.
It seems I have to be both prosecutor, and defender as others appear to be more concerned in being sarcastic.

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Yes, in May 1920 Greb signed a contract to fight Dempsey in Buffalo. Dempsey was to get $50,000 (the same he got paid for Miske) and Greb was to get $15,000. Dempsey didnt sign. In October of 1920 Frank Mulkern of Milwaukee signed Greb to a contract to face Dempsey after Dempsey had spoken favorably of the match. When Greb signed Dempsey looked the other way. He instead tried to fight Gunboat Smith as a title defense. Trying to force Dempsey into a match Greb fought the Gunner first and KOd him in one round. Then T.S. Andrews travelled to South Bend (where the Greb-Smith bout was held) in order to try to secure a match between Dempsey and Greb but Carpentier had just beaten Levinsky in Rickard's fixed LHW championship which set up his million dollar gate, Dempsey was not about to face anyone as threatening as Greb with that bonanza on the table. Instead Kearns tried to match Dempsey with Bartley Madden so Greb fought Madden, once again trying to force a match with Dempsey, and dominated him. With Madden and Smith eliminated Dempsey signed to fight Bill Brennan, who Greb had dominated four times and Brennan damn near beat Dempsey. But the day before Dempsey defended against Brennan John McGarvey and John J. Bell of the Motor Square Garden club personally offered Kearns $50,000 with 50% of the gate to face Greb but after having so much trouble with Brennan Dempsey again begged off. Instead both Dempsey and Carp (who Greb was also actively pursuing) where shelved off from all competition in fear of losing before their big showdown. While training for Carpentier Kearns put out the word that he wanted anyone capable to come spar with the champion. Greb made it known he was on his way and Kearns promptly announced that they didnt need anyone else. In early 1922 Greb was matched with Tom Gibbons in a title eliminator for Dempsey. Greb dominated Gibbons and both Kearns and Dempsey stated that they would face Greb. Instead they went to Europe and when they came back they refused to face him. In the summer of 1922 John J. Bell made another offer to Dempsey, this time for $100,000 and 50% of the gate. Once again Kearns refused to consider the offer. In the summer of 1923 Kearns was again offered $100,000 with a percentage of the gate to face Greb up around Uniontown, and once again Kearns ignored the offer. And on and on and on. Everytime Kearns and Rickard tried to find a new setup for Dempsey to face Greb would chase after him and either beat him or be ducked by him trying to remove all obstacles to face Dempsey. Continually he was ignored. In 1925 Floyd Fitzsimmons held a poll of midwestern newspaperman asking who they would like him to match Dempsey with. Greb won the poll and Fitzsimmons approached Dempsey and Kearns. They agreed, yet when Greb wired that he was on a train for Chicago to sign papers Dempsey and Kearns stated they wouldnt be fighting Greb or anyone else that year...

All the while Greb was telling anyone and everyone how it was the ambition of his life to fight and beat Dempsey and yet Im supposed to believe some unattributed quote that appeared in Ring Magazine 30 years later written by a writer hostile to Greb saying that Greb thought Dempsey would beat him??? Uh, no, I'll take the mans own words printed that day before I believe what was printed in Ring Magazine years after he died.


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It should perhaps be mentioned that Klompton is the self appointed President of the Harry Greb fan club.

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No one suggested he did.

Dempsey asked him to train/ condition him for his fight with Tunney ,Greb said how much? Dempsey gave him a figure Greb said," not enough,besides I hope to fight you myself". Dempsey said," who'd pay to see that fight? "

I can't see the humour in my post,and I can't see any concrete offers of big money for Dempsey to fight Greb either.

Hope I've made it clearer , though I thought I already had.
To train him or to be his sparring partner? I know Greb turned down the sparring partner option stating 'it'd be unfair taking his money as he has no chance against tunney'

Tunney and Greb were great friends were they not? Lord can feel free to answer that one too
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To train him or to be his sparring partner? I know Greb turned down the sparring partner option stating 'it'd be unfair taking his money as he has no chance against tunney'

Tunney and Greb were great friends were they not? Lord can feel free to answer that one too
To train him.
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Old 01-24-2013, 02:00 PM   #82
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Didn't he know the internet was coming and it's infinite potential to judge, mythologize and degrade?!

Greb knew this shit and destroyed all the films of him fighting!

Now, who is smarter?
You got me ,it has to be HARRY!






Dead on a slab in his early 30's but his name will live forever in Ring mythology.


Poor old Dempsey. Gone at 87, loved and admired by everyone,[well not you, McGrain, and Chris Pontius ]. shagged loads of film-stars, close friends with Fairbanks, Mix, Rogers,Chaplin, Getty etc, lauded by his contemporaries in the game, and many ,many others.

Received the biggest applause any time he entered a ring ,even 60 years after he retired. And the highest accolades of the trainers of his time. Arcel, Stillman etc.
Made and spent a fortune

Married three lovely women.

Where did it all go wrong for poor Jack?

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So Dempsey gets extra points for fighting a guy who was eliminated as his top challenger in an elimination bout and beating him after staying in inactive for two years?

Nowadays people would give Dempsey ten kinds of hell for that. Instead his fans somehow twist that to be a feather in his cap.
No, I'm not giving Dempsey points for fighting Gibbons instead of Greb (or Wills, or whoever else may have had better credentials as a challenger).

Nor am I giving Dempsey points for staying inactive for two years.

But I do acknowledge the fact he came off a 2-year-layoff and beat Tommy Gibbons, an excellent boxer, pretty clearly.
I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THE WIN, as any unbiased person would.
I also acknowledge that beating a decent contender over the 15 round distance off the back off a 2-year-layoff tends to indicate a champion of immense ability.
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Old 01-24-2013, 02:49 PM   #84
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Well maybe if he wasn't ducked by the paper champion his life would have unfolded differently.

****ing laughable post.
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You got me ,it has to be HARRY!






Dead on a slab in his early 30's but his name will live forever in Ring mythology.


Poor old Dempsey. Gone at 87, loved and admired by everyone,[well not you, McGrain, and Chris Pontius ]. shagged loads of film-stars, close friends with Fairbanks, Mix, Rogers,Chaplin, Getty etc, lauded by his contemporaries in the game, and many ,many others.

Received the biggest applause any time he entered a ring ,even 60 years after he retired. And the highest accolades of the trainers of his time. Arcel, Stillman etc.
Made and spent a fortune

Married three lovely women.

Where did it all go wrong for poor Jack?
Where ? ESB became a boxing forum...
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Where ? ESB became a boxing forum...
Can't have the" Mauler "mauled by these people can we B. B?
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Poor old Dempsey. Gone at 87, loved and admired by everyone,[well not you, McGrain, and Chris Pontius ].
I love Dempsey. There is a picture of him in my office.
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The Dempsey-bashing here gets pretty boring.
But sometimes it's so absurd it's funny, it's like a weird sub-cult of a sub-cult of an obscure corner of an obscure corner of the internet.
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No one suggested he did.

Dempsey asked him to train/ condition him for his fight with Tunney ,Greb said how much? Dempsey gave him a figure Greb said," not enough,besides I hope to fight you myself". Dempsey said," who'd pay to see that fight? "

I can't see the humour in my post,and I can't see any concrete offers of big money for Dempsey to fight Greb either.

Hope I've made it clearer , though I thought I already had.
the humour was I didn't see the point of your post. I'm not calling it pointless, I'm saying I don't quite see it's relevance.

Dempsey fought 4 men coming off a loss to Greb. The facts really do speak for themselves.
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I love Dempsey. There is a picture of him in my office.
S, if that is love, thank G you don't hate the man
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