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Old 01-24-2013, 04:26 AM   #91
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watching Jake LaMotta (not sure if one would consider him a all time great) but good he looks like she just walks straight in with no defense and slow punches. I know he was doing more than that but stilll.....someone like caremen basillio looks so much better.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:41 AM   #92
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For the whole stiff standup thing failing to impress that seems hard for many to get past with Monzon and others, Gene Tunney is the worst looking i'd say.

I wouldn't say there are any ATG's i don't think look impressive at the end of the day, though.

Some like Saddler i don't enjoy watching fight.
I can understand regarding Gene Tunney, when I first started watching him I was thinking "....what the ****...is this it?" and I'm sure to ye average person he'd look silly bounding around the ring like Skippy the Kangaroo. However after a while you pick up some brilliant subtleties, much like Monzon. The way Tunney can time and judge distance so perfectly is astounding, he can literally stand in front of his opponent hands next to his waist, chin in the air, let his opponent throw a punch take half a step back and then come in and counter.

Must've been a very frustrating guy to fight.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:52 AM   #93
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Tunney looks pretty great to me, from start to finish.
His short hooks to the body, his footwork, everything. He's textbook.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:53 AM   #94
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Tunney looks pretty great to me, from start to finish.
His short hooks to the body, his footwork, everything. He's textbook.
He was probably the best guy that was ''made'' not ''born'' a fighter, he made himself and did a pretty good job as well
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:22 AM   #95
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Hopkins does look impressive, he's just not entertaining
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:41 PM   #96
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George Foreman : I like the guy and don't question his power, but damn... Let's do an experiment, take a guy who's never watched Foreman and show him the Ali and Young fights in a row and they won't believe that this guy had an ATG career... and he sure did !

Rocky Marciano : I enjoy watching him fight nowadays, it helps that he boxed during my favorite era. However, it took a while to start enjoying the little things he did.

Wlad Klitschko : I think his long title reign should get him a good rank in many ATG's list. However, it seems the guy has two choice : be boring and win or be entertaining and get KOed. Also, history always have a softer spot for smaller fighters who overcame adversity. Klitschko is the opposite.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:45 PM   #97
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What the **** is so amazing about Jack Johnson, anyway? Fought people ridiculously smaller than him, and if they weren't, were shot as ****.
Maybe not his fault that men like Burns were small, but he straight ducked some fighters. When he opened up, he was sloppy, winging these wide hay-makers like nobody's business.

Spent most of the fight clinching, too. Just a generally unimpressive boxer on film.
...He was black.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:46 PM   #98
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Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, and Max Baer. A lot of times I see these guys favored against a lot of other ATG heavyweights and I just don't see it.

Jack Johnson has never impressed me and sometimes I think I'm watching something completely different than what others saw. He looked downright sloppy many times to me and seemed to be pretty crude considering he's considered as one of the best heavyweight ring technicians.

I can only imagine the criticism guys like Frazier, Lewis, Liston, Holmes, or any heavyweight ATG not named Dempsey, Louis, or Ali would get if they got decked by a middleweight and got up to swing incredibly sloppily and end up falling over from misbalance from throwing the punch.

People always mention how easily he beat his opposition, but honestly I think his opposition was piss poor looking on film, too and I think Dempsey, Louis, Frazier, Marciano, and litterally just about every heavyweight champ post Johnson would have walked all over the oponents too.

Jack Dempsey I find the most impressive out of those who don't really impress me on film. His tenacity is very evident and his quick headmovement coupled with his foot movement is good, but his technique is just down right awful most of the time and he telegraphed many of his punches.

I see many people favoring him over guys like Louis, Liston, Frazier, Marciano, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, and Klitschko and I just don't see it. He's another where I can only imagine the criticism others aside from Louis, Johnson, Ali and Dempsey would have gotten had they strugged so mightily with a person as unskilled as Firpo.

Max Baer looked the worst out of all of the "great" heavyweight to me. His technique made guys like 70s Foreman and Marcos Maidana look like text book, Joe Louis esque punchers technique wise. He didn't even try to hide his lack of technique and he often reverted to blatant fouling the included strong back hands to get at his oponents.

His raw power in his right hand was evident, but I see him losing to just about every heavyweight champ barring guys like Marvin Hart, Tommy Burns, and Jess Willard.
I got to agree with all of these. The strength and athleticism is always apparent, but it is SO crude.

That's the summary of how I feel about Dempsey: The lethality and ferocity are obvious. He was a stone cold killer. I just find nothing impressive about his technical ability.
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...He was black.
I disagree.
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I disagree.
Jack Johnson wasn't black?
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Jack Johnson wasn't black?
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:43 PM   #102
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Sullen. Hmm...

Objection removed. Continue.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:58 PM   #103
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i apreciate monzon but may never want to rewatch any of his fights.

wilde was clearly great, but from the available film its hard to know how
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i apreciate monzon but may never want to rewatch any of his fights.

wilde was clearly great, but from the available film its hard to know how
I have as complete a set of his fights that is available in the Western World and watch them incessantly.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:30 PM   #105
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i doubt there's much extra footage in asia
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