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Old 01-24-2013, 06:32 PM   #106
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Monzon-Briscoe II - there aren't many fights I like more than that one.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:32 PM   #107
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Stanley Ketchel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by him. I think I'll buy 'The Killings of Ketchel' next pay day to read more about the man, but having watched footage of him fighting Papke, I came away relatively unimpressed. There wasn't a lot of fighting on display.

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Old 01-24-2013, 07:31 PM   #108
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i doubt there's much extra footage in asia
Oh, but there is. All fetish stuff, tho. And they airbrush the good bits. Not my cup of tea.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:35 PM   #109
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Stanley Ketchel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by him. I think I'll buy 'The Killings of Ketchel' next pay day to read more about the man, but having watched footage of him fighting Pake, I came away relatively unimpressed. There wasn't a lot of fighting on display.
Thats not a great display of him
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:17 AM   #110
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Stanley Ketchel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by him. I think I'll buy 'The Killings of Ketchel' next pay day to read more about the man, but having watched footage of him fighting Pake, I came away relatively unimpressed. There wasn't a lot of fighting on display.
Yeah, he was the first that came to mind for me too.
I believe he was a truly great fighter, and from reading descriptions of him I think he must have had the kind of style that I'd like.
But the films I've seen don't impress at all.

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Thats not a great display of him
Yeah, but what else in there of him on film ?
I've only seen the Papke fight (4th fight I think it is) and him being completely over-matched against Jack Johnson.
Neither film is at all flattering.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:22 PM   #111
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Harry Greb was the 1st to jump into my head. There is hardly any footage of him available but he is unfortunately often berated for how he looks in training.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:32 PM   #112
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Most Cubans have a predictable way of moving two steps maybe thee and than they stop. You can set a watch to them.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:12 PM   #113
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Really? I think he looks supreme beating the shit out of Ellis and Foster.
Yeah, that's a head-scratcher for me too.

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Sandy Saddler.
Considering his physicality for a man of his size in that division. There's not a ton of subtlety or finesse but he certainly looks like a terrifying opposition at that weight.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:14 PM   #114
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:28 PM   #115
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Yeah, but what else in there of him on film ?
I've only seen the Papke fight (4th fight I think it is) and him being completely over-matched against Jack Johnson.
Neither film is at all flattering.
Exacly theres none of his greatest films that we can watch
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:53 PM   #116
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I suppose I'm going against the grain here, but I think Monzon's performance in the first Benvenuti fight was one of the most impressive in MW history. IMO, this performance is on par with Duran-Buchanan, Olivares-Rose, and Sanchez-Lopez as one of the most impressive "birth of a legend"s in modern boxing.

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I do agree that Monzon could look "lazy" in some subsequent fights, where he seemed to only bring out what guns were needed to win. However, he looked like an absolute dynamo in this fight IMO.

He was also similarly impressive in the 1st Bouttier fight IMO.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:57 PM   #117
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Most Cubans have a predictable way of moving two steps maybe thee and than they stop. You can set a watch to them.
Most have the same technique/general style, too...especially the taller ones.

Advance/use lateral movement behind a long jab looking to land big, looping right crosses followed up by other punches such as hooks and uppercuts. Will often throw more than just one or two jabs at a time, but will do it while moving in a straight line.

Ribalta and Prescott fight almost identical, imo.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:58 PM   #118
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Im bored just watching the first 20 seconds, he was great but just damn boring
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I suppose I'm going against the grain here, but I think Monzon's performance in the first Benvenuti fight was one of the most impressive in MW history. IMO, this performance is on par with Duran-Buchanan, Olivares-Rose, and Sanchez-Lopez as one of the most impressive "birth of a legend"s in modern boxing.

BORKED

I do agree that Monzon could look "lazy" in some subsequent fights, where he seemed to only bring out what guns were needed to win. However, he looked like an absolute dynamo in this fight IMO.

He was also similarly impressive in the 1st Bouttier fight IMO.
Sometimes it just helps to be stronger, more gifted and more magnificent.

Case in point.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:08 AM   #120
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What about the Tunney mention by me.
Tunney's performance against Gibbons is one of the greatest displays of aggressive counterpunching I've ever seen. He was like a non-stop punching machine in this fight, yet without sacrificing his technique.

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