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Old 01-25-2013, 06:30 AM   #121
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In fairness Dempsey did end up as Lt in the coast guard during WWII...which doesnt sound impressive, but the coast guard did do some actual fighting, and from what I understand he was in danger.
Yes I know, I was just being facetious. Dempsey went ashore and "captured a jap soldier". His redemption.
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:32 AM   #122
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The backlash is well deserved. The facts, not opinions, facts...are that he failed to meet his two most outstanding contenders his whole career, was outboxed by a morbidly obese ex-flyweight and sparked in one by career fireman/part time boxer with a losing record.

Now, this would all be fine, if the wrinklys weren't calling him the greatest HW ever. Derp derpstock and Shitnose have him top 5 P4P even.

There also seems to be a connection between Ali-haters and Dempsey praisers, this is the same crowd. Thats you Shay Given, in the company of undesirables such as Johnstown and pepe le bitch. Its a laughable position and i question the agenda of anyone who takes it
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:39 AM   #123
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ps You were banned at my suggestion.

I knew it !


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Old 01-25-2013, 06:40 AM   #124
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:49 AM   #125
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Back on track then.

The long and short for me is langford racked up a resume significantly better than Dempsey did. He is perhaps the greatest trap setter in history and Dempsey has been shown to be wild and aggressive in his prime.

Run at langford with your chin out and the next thing you'll see is the ref count ten.

It's not massively difficult to pick in this fight.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:23 AM   #126
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Back on track then.

The long and short for me is langford racked up a resume significantly better than Dempsey did. He is perhaps the greatest trap setter in history and Dempsey has been shown to be wild and aggressive in his prime.

Run at langford with your chin out and the next thing you'll see is the ref count ten.

It's not massively difficult to pick in this fight.
It is for me ,I think it's a pick em fight.
Langford was seldom stopped, but he was on the floor around 25 times,and from punchers not in Dempsey's class.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:31 AM   #127
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Langford.. and dare I say... 9/10
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In fairness Dempsey did end up as Lt in the coast guard during WWII...which doesnt sound impressive, but the coast guard did do some actual fighting, and from what I understand he was in danger.
do you or does anyone reading know a quote on the war empsey made? Something along the lines of -

'when i didnt fight in ww1 they called me a coward, when i did in ww2 they called me a hero. They were wrong both times"

been searching for it but cant find it anywhere online
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:47 AM   #129
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Let's agree to leave that there though gents please, and drag the disagreement back to boxing rather than a poster that doesn't post here any more.

Also, Pachiles, could you stop referring to other posters as shitface and derp or whatever it was as a matter of course please? It causes trouble. Thanks.

Nothing banworthy here but it is getting into that sort of neighborhood. Since becoming a moderator, i've handed out a sum total of one day in bans to Classic posters who i recognise. I'd like to keep it that way please.
Ok sorry i am out of line but meant no harm. What about pepe though, can i call him pepe le bitch still?
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:05 PM   #130
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It is for me ,I think it's a pick em fight.
Langford was seldom stopped, but he was on the floor around 25 times,and from punchers not in Dempsey's class.
but Dempsey was knocked out in his prime, Langford wasn't.

If anyone is being stopped it's jack I'm afraid.
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:33 PM   #131
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but Dempsey was knocked out in his prime, Langford wasn't.

If anyone is being stopped it's jack I'm afraid.
Dempsey was stopped by Flynn when he was 21 years old in a fight that may or may not have been on the level.


Langford was stopped by welterweight Young Peter Jackson when he was 23, and by Joe Jeannette, when he was 22.


Glad we cleared that up.
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Langford. If Dempsey walked into a punch like he did against Firpo, more than once, in his prime he'd be counting ceiling tiles.

At the time Langford and Jackson fought they were both middleweights.

Langford was likely outweighed by Jeanette 20 pounds. I dont think either fight is an example of Langford at his comfortable heavyweight prime.

Does anyone have any details on Langfords loss to Jackson? It does stick out like a sore thumb amid quite a few decision wins over him.
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Dempsey was stopped by Flynn when he was 21 years old in a fight that may or may not have been on the level.


Langford was stopped by welterweight Young Peter Jackson when he was 23, and by Joe Jeannette, when he was 22.


Glad we cleared that up.
sorry you misconstrued my post.

I meant that during his prime, Langford was never stopped 1907-1914.

During dempseys prime he was stopped 1917-1923
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The long and short for me is langford racked up a resume significantly better than Dempsey did. He is perhaps the greatest trap setter in history and Dempsey has been shown to be wild and aggressive in his prime.
The thing is, does the footage of Langford show him setting amazing traps and icing guys with single shots ?
I don't think it does.
Most people here think he looks pretty good on film, but they also reckon his opposition looks pretty crude and inept - on the available films.

I've seen footage of him KOing Bill Lang, and he's not totally uneducated in doing so, but really he's mostly walking down and stalking an intimidated opponent and looks 'heavy-handed' more than anything.
The footage of him against Flynn, what I can remember is he's getting really stuck in, throwing some nice uppercuts.
It's not the cagiest, cleverest display of trap-setting from what I can remember. And Flynn's pretty basic.
And then there's the Jeanette bout on film. Langford looks good, but Jeanette really not so much.

I mean, a lot of people are going to dismiss what people said about Dempsey because they think 'He doesn't look that good on the film, I don't see it' .... are we evaluating Langford in the same way ?

I dunno, call me crazy, but I think it's Dempsey who 'looks better on film'.

That's not to say Langford would not knock him out, he certainly can.

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Run at langford with your chin out and the next thing you'll see is the ref count ten.
... or it might take Langford a few rounds to do that.

Again, call me crazy, but I don't see Dempsey running at his opponents with his chin out all the time in every fight.
I mean, even lesser fighters would take you out if you do that. All the time.
He probably did that against Flynn the first time, and he did it against Firpo. But not every fight.


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It's not massively difficult to pick in this fight.
For you maybe.
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And then there's the Jeanette bout on film. Langford looks good, but Jeanette really not so much.

I think the thing thats impressive about the Jeanette film is that Jeanette is a really durable guy, who was known to go to war at times, and hes trying everything he can do to stay away from Langford.

Thats why Jeanette doesnt look great in the film because he shows Langford so much respect. That speaks volumes. Langford looks so good because in spite of this running, jabbing, and grabbing, Langford still manages to catch him, drop him multiple times and batter him at points in the fight.

Thats not easy for anyone to do against a guy in survival mode.
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