How much do you think Adam Booth can improve Aydin and Lee's game?

[Dynamito_2012]

Do you think he can make them smarter, more technical fighters?

[AndyPaterson]

didn't know he was training Aydin.

[Dynamito_2012]

Originally Posted by AndyPaterson

didn't know he was training Aydin.

Yep. Actually, in a recent training video, Aydin is wearing a Hayemaker t shirt haha, repping Hayemaker promotions

[SkillspayBills]

I expect to see Aydin now boxing off back foot near ropes and becoming a counter puncher with a low held guard.

[AndyPaterson]

he is a hot tempered ****er as well.

[cheekyvid]

25% certainly, mayve even a third or more

[L.J.KEYS.]

Originally Posted by SkillspayBills

I expect to see Aydin now boxing off back foot near ropes and becoming a counter puncher with a low held guard.

Jim Watt always goes out of his way to stress the importance of a high held guard, skills do u reckon its an old skool vs new skool thing, high held vs low held, or is it just Jim Watt hates a low held guard and Booth loves it/isn't too concerned about it??

[Lazarus]

Adam is definitely smart enough, it just depends on the fighter's level of intelligence.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by L.J.KEYS.

Jim Watt always goes out of his way to stress the importance of a high held guard, skills do u reckon its an old skool vs new skool thing, high held vs low held, or is it just Jim Watt hates a low held guard and Booth loves it/isn't too concerned about it??

Generally, it's better to fight with a textbook guard, since it keeps your hands in position to jab and hook as a lead punch while minimising exposure to a counter. It also means your power hand is generally in position to get maximum leverage after throwing the lead.

That allows fighters with slower hands and reflexes to be more effective offensively and defensively.

Modern fighters, in my view at least, are all too busy emulating Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather. But they're ignoring the fact that Jones was supernaturally fast and aware, and Mayweather is supremely well-schooled with foot, head and hand position - add in his physical gifts and it's near-impossible to emulate his approach.

There's nothing wrong with a low-hand stance if you've mastered its subtleties, but it's not something that seems very prevalent in UK gyms.

Booth uses it with his fighters to trick opponents into over-extending. They end up looking to land the lead had so much that they get out of position. For a fast, aware and mobile fighter like Haye, it was a good tactic. He could easily shift position and land a fast, hard counter. He's a gunslinger, basically.

With Groves it's less effective, so he relies more on his legs.

But regardless of how fighters implement it, it's naturally higher risk. For a technician like Watt was in his active years, he'll always criticise this - same as Manny Steward and Teddy Atlas picking on fighters who don't jab effectively.

[Primadonna Kool]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

Generally, it's better to fight with a textbook guard, since it keeps your hands in position to jab and hook as a lead punch while minimising exposure to a counter. It also means your power hand is generally in position to get maximum leverage after throwing the lead.

That allows fighters with slower hands and reflexes to be more effective offensively and defensively.

Modern fighters, in my view at least, are all too busy emulating Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather. But they're ignoring the fact that Jones was supernaturally fast and aware, and Mayweather is supremely well-schooled with foot, head and hand position - add in his physical gifts and it's near-impossible to emulate his approach.

There's nothing wrong with a low-hand stance if you've mastered its subtleties, but it's not something that seems very prevalent in UK gyms.

Booth uses it with his fighters to trick opponents into over-extending. They end up looking to land the lead had so much that they get out of position. For a fast, aware and mobile fighter like Haye, it was a good tactic. He could easily shift position and land a fast, hard counter. He's a gunslinger, basically.

With Groves it's less effective, so he relies more on his legs.

But regardless of how fighters implement it, it's naturally higher risk. For a technician like Watt was in his active years, he'll always criticise this - same as Manny Steward and Teddy Atlas picking on fighters who don't jab effectively.

A textbook guard learns fighters, that its ok to take punches on the gloves: Which will still do accumulative damage.

Only shit fighters with no real athletic ability should employ a text book guard at all times.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

A textbook guard learns fighters, that its ok to take punches on the gloves: Which will still do accumulative damage.

Only shit fighters with no real athletic ability should employ a text book guard at all times.

I think the thing I enjoy most about your posts, PK, is how divorced from reality they are.

[Primadonna Kool]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

I think the thing I enjoy most about your posts, PK, is how divorced from reality they are.

When David Haye was asked the exact same question.

He gave a very similar answer.

[L.J.KEYS.]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

Generally, it's better to fight with a textbook guard, since it keeps your hands in position to jab and hook as a lead punch while minimising exposure to a counter. It also means your power hand is generally in position to get maximum leverage after throwing the lead.

That allows fighters with slower hands and reflexes to be more effective offensively and defensively.

Modern fighters, in my view at least, are all too busy emulating Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather. But they're ignoring the fact that Jones was supernaturally fast and aware, and Mayweather is supremely well-schooled with foot, head and hand position - add in his physical gifts and it's near-impossible to emulate his approach.

There's nothing wrong with a low-hand stance if you've mastered its subtleties, but it's not something that seems very prevalent in UK gyms.

Booth uses it with his fighters to trick opponents into over-extending. They end up looking to land the lead had so much that they get out of position. For a fast, aware and mobile fighter like Haye, it was a good tactic. He could easily shift position and land a fast, hard counter. He's a gunslinger, basically.

With Groves it's less effective, so he relies more on his legs.

But regardless of how fighters implement it, it's naturally higher risk. For a technician like Watt was in his active years, he'll always criticise this - same as Manny Steward and Teddy Atlas picking on fighters who don't jab effectively.

Cheers, just the sort of breakdown I was looking for.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

When David Haye was asked the exact same question.

He gave a very similar answer.

So?

There's a reason good trainers teach good fundamentals. It's about position and response times. Walking round with the ear-muffs on is only effective if you master good upper-body movement.

[Primadonna Kool]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

So?

There's a reason good trainers teach good fundamentals. It's about position and response times. Walking round with the ear-muffs on is only effective if you master good upper-body movement.

"If me and you ever met inside a boxing ring, i would spark you right out! with a low guard! so shut up"