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Old 12-30-2012, 04:32 AM   #31
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This thread drips with jealousy and Anti USA sentiment.

The only countries that didnt fight were what? Cuba and USSR?
Massive fail.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:23 AM   #32
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If the 'Soviets' had been allowed to turn pro, then money would of been taken out of the sport, as the 'Soviets' were after Olympic success. Without the money and the science behind the massive amateur programmes, there would not of been the talent that was created.

For those who did turn pro, it would be a road to nowhere, as they it would be unlikely that they would be allowed to fight outside the Soviet Union, even if they were good enough.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:29 AM   #33
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Tyson Fury: 6ft 9" of unbridled aggression.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:08 AM   #34
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Oh is this what you jealous Euro bums talk about in your private fantasy forum?

HAHAHAHAHA!
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:11 AM   #35
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Massive fail.
Yeah really funny jerk off

Jealous Europe produces boring stiff Euro fighters who run to American trainers to learn how to actually win and they leave their dreary shithole countries to live the life in a great country with indoor plumbing.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:14 AM   #36
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The whole Warsaw Pact + USSR was not allowed to fight...

Western Euro's are on average not as large or aggressive as Eastern

The title of Heavyweight "world" champion prior to the fall of the iron curtain will always have an * next to it.....
Not really scumbag because all the great American champs fought guys from other countries. Look at the record of Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali for example. Plus,how can you expect American champs from back then to fight guys who were not allowed to fight?

Best champs always come from USA and South America.

Deal with it.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:15 AM   #37
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Monte Barret=modern Day Ali.
You mad bro?

You have a massive chip on your shoulder.
Am I mad bro? Good one,real ****ing original.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:24 AM   #38
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People forget that Americans were doing pretty damn good with winning Olympic medals in boxing during that era as well. Ali = Gold medal, Foreman = Gold, Frazier = Gold

it is a myth, usually perpetuated by ex-communists who believe that great amateur success = a great professional fighter.

Since the Berlin Wall fell former soviet boxers have produced less than 25% of the HW world champions & thats their best division.

Look at the transnational boxing rankings, ex-USSR dominance is a myth.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:27 AM   #39
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The Berlin wall came down in 1989. Since then there have been 33 HW world champions, 8 of which came from ex-soviet countries.

Less than 25%
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People forget that Americans were doing pretty damn good with winning Olympic medals in boxing during that era as well. Ali = Gold medal, Foreman = Gold, Frazier = Gold

it is a myth, usually perpetuated by ex-communists who believe that great amateur success = a great professional fighter.

Since the Berlin Wall fell former soviet boxers have produced less than 25% of the HW world champions & thats their best division.

Look at the transnational boxing rankings, ex-USSR dominance is a myth.
And counting......

You going off on your rant is just as bad as the opposite end of the spectrum.

1/4 of the WORLDS HW Champs in just the past 20+ years and counting. This statistic does not back the argument that nothing would have changed if they were allowed to fight Pro during communism.

Secondly why exclude former or current Champs from all weight classes such as Jirov,Kostya,Adamek,DM,Lebedev,Wlodarczyk..etc

No one is dominating anything but to say that the Boxing landscape would not look a little different is simply burying your head in the sand.
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:00 PM   #41
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People forget that Americans were doing pretty damn good with winning Olympic medals in boxing during that era as well. Ali = Gold medal, Foreman = Gold, Frazier = Gold

it is a myth, usually perpetuated by ex-communists who believe that great amateur success = a great professional fighter.

Since the Berlin Wall fell former soviet boxers have produced less than 25% of the HW world champions & thats their best division.

Look at the transnational boxing rankings, ex-USSR dominance is a myth.
You remind me of that guy I raped in prison.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:12 PM   #42
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The Berlin wall came down in 1989. Since then there have been 33 HW world champions, 8 of which came from ex-soviet countries.

Less than 25%
Looks like all the top 10 HW is Eastern European, and now lighter weights are catching up. How would they dominate in 1989, they had no promotional companies, no pro coaches and no sponsors at the time.
Not to mention there was a war going on in that region at the time.
Now, when EE fighter are established they dominate with ease.

Also, how did you count 8? 1) Wlad, 2) Vitaly, 3) Valuev, 4) Maskaev 5) Lyakovich, 6) Povetkin, 7) Golota Chagaev, 9) Ibragimov

What is the percentage of the HW champs who are EE in the last 10 years? 99? lol
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Looks like all the top 10 HW is Eastern European, and now lighter weights are catching up. How would they dominate in 1989, they had no promotional companies, no pro coaches and no sponsors at the time.
Not to mention there was a war going on in that region at the time.
Now, when EE fighter are established they dominate with ease.

Also, how did you count 8? 1) Wlad, 2) Vitaly, 3) Valuev, 4) Maskaev 5) Lyakovich, 6) Povetkin, 7) Golota Chagaev, 9) Ibragimov

What is the percentage of the HW champs who are EE in the last 10 years? 99? lol
Another foolish uninformed post. The Russians were brought over in '89 by Dennis Rappaport and promoted by Top Rank. Learn something about what you're talking about before opening your mouth. That's a bad habit you have.
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Another foolish uninformed post. The Russians were brought over in '89 by Dennis Rappaport and promoted by Top Rank. Learn something about what you're talking about before opening your mouth. That's a bad habit you have.
There were like three essentially non descript fighters without much of an amateur pedigree that Rapport brought over. It was more of a publicity stunt where these guys were side shows and basically set up to fail.


Honest question; Why do people such as yourself go on these vehement crusades to defame a certain group of fighters when all they have done is inject more competition into a sport that has become more and more of a media punching bag {pun intended}?
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There were like three essentially non descript fighters without much of an amateur pedigree that Rapport brought over. It was more of a publicity stunt where these guys were side shows and basically set up to fail.

Side shows? They were on USA friday night fights and ESPN Thursday night fights with other fighters seen as rising prospects, plus Sports Illustrated article and cover on KO mag. so your side show theory is out the window. And Im interested, how exactly were they set up to fail? Non descript? Wasn't sergey Kobozov on the Russian national team? Didn't he beat John Ruiz and was seen as a potential star at cruiserweight? Sorry but your post has massive holes in it that Im exposing. Maybe you need to provide more facts and details and less conjecture.


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Honest question; Why do people such as yourself go on these vehement crusades to defame a certain group of fighters when all they have done is inject more competition into a sport that has become more and more of a media punching bag {pun intended}?
Lol, people like me? You have 6 posts, you don't know a thing about me. And what is it I have defamed? I've pointed out facts, just like I've done with you. This isn't any kind of vehement crusade. It's called educating those who don't know what they're talking about (BadDog) and seek to rewrite the truth (you). Im happy more nations are allowed to compete professionally now. I don't judge fighters like many on here. As long as they're exciting I don't care what race, color, mationality or religeon they are, so stop being se presumtious.
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