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Old 01-24-2013, 12:39 PM   #166
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The bigger orgs don't focus on building talent too much. It really is sink or swim once you're in the UFC. Every other fight is tough.

They constantly recruit green fighters for "The Ultimate Fighter" reality show. Its like the worst of both worlds with few mid-level or regional promotions to build fighters, although the UFC did buy a couple top guys from Bellator (the B-league).

The way business is done doesn't really help the UFC, but try telling anyone to change something about themselves, and see what results you get.

I talked to numerous fighters about the value of their rights. They kind of know the truth, but its easier in the short term to believe what they signed away has no value.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:52 PM   #167
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The bigger orgs don't focus on building talent too much. It really is sink or swim once you're in the UFC. Every other fight is tough.

They constantly recruit green fighters for "The Ultimate Fighter" reality show. Its like the worst of both worlds with few mid-level or regional promotions to build fighters, although the UFC did buy a couple top guys from Bellator (the B-league).

The way business is done doesn't really help the UFC, but try telling anyone to change something about themselves, and see what results you get.

I talked to numerous fighters about the value of their rights. They kind of know the truth, but its easier in the short term to believe what they signed away has no value.
It also happens in boxing, guys are just so happy to be with a promoter that they gloss over things that they have a right too. Educate yourselves cos at the end of the day, its you that signed that BS contract stripping you of your rights. I know the other side also you can be labeled as problematic, all I can say is think, and think again before you sign a contract.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:21 PM   #168
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What are your views on fighters who fight dirty? e.g. head, elbow,

Ever meet anyone in the game who openly encouraged it?
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:32 PM   #169
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What are your views on fighters who fight dirty? e.g. head, elbow,

Ever meet anyone in the game who openly encouraged it?
I dont run into that problem cos I have the right to refuse an opponent per the contract. I have a say on who my guys are going to fight. I look at every fighter at my guys weight and experience. I want to know, how much amateur experience the oppt has, is he a rightie or a leftie, how hard can the guy hit. I am not looking for a guy who cant fight, I just dont want something that will cause me problems, a dirty fighter or a guy who comes in with his head will cause problems so its an automatic turn down.
I have never come across somebody with a dirty mindset, boxing is a small community and words gets around.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:50 PM   #170
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It helps a LOT if you have someone good looking out for you like Tyson did with Cayton and Jim Jacobs. Do you have any inside stories about Tyson's mismanagement?
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:54 AM   #171
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Check this out. After you read this article make sure you read How it all got started,
An Inside Look At The Finkel Vs. Watley Suit!
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CHECK OUT HOW IT ALL GOT STARTED


”Do you think these people really care about me?”Part 1 “

”Shelly, Why Would You Bring (Watley) In If You Feel He’s No Good?” part 2″

”Mike Tyson Interview: Part 3″

”Finkel’s ”Partner” With Tyson Says: ”Shelly Is A Liar, Who Has Mastered The Divide and Conquer Game!”

”Finkel Sues Watley “
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:06 PM   #172
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None of the links at the bottom of the page work.
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:10 PM   #173
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None of the links at the bottom of the page work.
Click on [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

It will take you to an archieve page, click on 'Sept 2004, and there they are.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:01 AM   #174
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Interesting thread. I read Hauser's pieces on John Duddy a while back.

I like his ****ysis. Have there been any changes since Tyson-Finkel to help boxers in terms of laws or Showtime/HBO's handling?
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:20 AM   #175
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Interesting thread. I read Hauser's pieces on John Duddy a while back.

I like his ****ysis. Have there been any changes since Tyson-Finkel to help boxers in terms of laws or Showtime/HBO's handling?

Not really, Tyson was manipulated by people he thought he could trust, like the saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon parted", there really wasnt anybody looking after Tyson, he just put his trust on the wrong people.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:23 AM   #176
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But how was Tyson cheated here? Finkel made more money from Showtime than he disclosed, Tyson didn't get bigger/easier fights with Brewster, etc?
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:31 AM   #177
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But how was Tyson cheated here? Finkel made more money from Showtime than he disclosed, Tyson didn't get bigger/easier fights with Brewster, etc?
Tyson, only fought once after that and that was also a loss. Look up Tom Hauser and Charles Jay, Hauser has about 300 hundred articles in Secondsout. You will find out alot about what goes on in boxing. Everything is in that article and there is way more in some of Hauser's column's dealing with HBO, SHOWTIME, Finkel, and Tyson.

Google Charles Jay, another treasure trove of information.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:50 PM   #178
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I posted this on another thread, cos it's true and doubly true on this thread.

Saw this and I thought I would share it with you cos it's so true.

"Three things you need to remember about the business of boxing, better known as the fight game:

1. Everybody knows everybody else.

2. Players use cell phones more than teenage girls do.

3. Nothing ever goes smoothly."
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:00 AM   #179
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Real drama in Oklahoma this is the boxing biz:
Bobby Dobbs added a new photo: "One of the fights last night that was originally scheduled but was cancelled at the last minute was Richard Dawson vs Ryan Lopez. It was a rematch of a fight the pair had last year that ended when Dawson hit Lopez at the opening bell when Lopez tried to touch gloves. Replays showed the punch was a glancing blow, but Lopez acted as though he could not continue and the fight was ruled a TKO for Dawson. Lopez for months kept asking me for a rematch, begging for another chance at Dawson to prove himself. Even though I was very skeptical about his performance in the first fight, I finally agreed to give him a rematch and a few weeks ago, we set the fight for last night’s card. Ryan Lopez is a bounty hunter, he works for a bail bond company arresting fugitives and has access to criminal databases and it turns out that Richard Dawson had an outstanding warrant for an unpaid fine in Okmulgee. At the weigh-in, as soon as Dawson arrived, 4 police officers who were "anonymously" tipped off that a fugitive would be at the weigh-in were there waiting there to arrest Dawson and did so as soon as he entered the room. Ryan of course played dumb and acted like he had no idea what was going on. But, apparently this exact scene had happened once before at one of his MMA fights when the cops swooped in arrested one of his opponents at a different weigh in! It was clear to anyone who knew Ryan that he was the one who called got Dawson arrested and he did so to avoid having to fight him. It looked as though the fight was off! But there was a problem with Ryan's plan, Dawson's lawyer is also his boxing manager and worked almost all night to get Dawson released in time for the fight. Finally at about 5pm just hours before the commission deadline for Dawson to appear, he was released and was on his way to Remington Park. When I informed Ryan that Dawson had been released he seemed shocked. The only licensed fighter I was able to find to fill in on 12 hours’ notice was a 400lb MMA fighter named Dakota Beaver. Ryan was hoping he would get to face him instead of the now incredibly ****ed off Dawson! When the ringside Doctor performed the routine pre-fight physical on Lopez, Lopez began complaining that he had developed a headache and said he felt like it was a headache of such a serious variety that he would be unable to fight after all. So after lying of a few of his friends that the ringside doctor had ruled him ineligible due to high blood pressure, he quietly snuck out of Remington Park without saying a word to the promoter. So now poor Richard Dawson who thanks to Ryan Lopez had just spent the night in jail, was now without an opponent and had sold 40 tickets to friends and family who had driven from Okmulgee to see him. Meanwhile, Dakota Beaver, who was on hand at the show as an alternate and thinking that upon Dawson’s arrival was not going to be fighting had just sit down upstairs at a buffet dinner when I called him and told him to drop his food and come see the commission. These are the events that led to the farcical fight between Dakota Beaver and Richard Dawson last night. I hope that any promoter ever even considering using Ryan Lopez sees this and thinks twice!"
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Wow... that's some ****
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