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Old 01-25-2013, 01:47 PM   #136
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I think the thing thats impressive about the Jeanette film is that Jeanette is a really durable guy, who was known to go to war at times, and hes trying everything he can do to stay away from Langford.

Thats why Jeanette doesnt look great in the film because he shows Langford so much respect. That speaks volumes. Langford looks so good because in spite of this running, jabbing, and grabbing, Langford still manages to catch him, drop him multiple times and batter him at points in the fight.

Thats not easy for anyone to do against a guy in survival mode.
Very true.

And similarly, I don't think Dempsey looks too bad against what was really as 'survival mode' Gibbons either.

Both these guys - Dempsey and Langford - were smart fighters as well as cracking punchers, imo.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:24 PM   #137
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sorry you misconstrued my post.

I meant that during his prime, Langford was never stopped 1907-1914.

During dempseys prime he was stopped 1917-1923

Dempsey wasn't prime in 1917, and you know it.

I misconstrued jack shit, you arbitrarily pick dates out of the air.
Stop with the B S.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:42 PM   #138
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Dempsey wasn't prime in 1917, and you know it.

I misconstrued jack shit, you arbitrarily pick dates out of the air.
Stop with the B S.
Yeah that was his best 6 years 17-23. Nothing arbitrary. Moyle suggested the Langford dates did he not?
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:51 PM   #139
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The backlash is well deserved. The facts, not opinions, facts...are that he failed to meet his two most outstanding contenders his whole career, was outboxed by a morbidly obese ex-flyweight and sparked in one by career fireman/part time boxer with a losing record.

Now, this would all be fine, if the wrinklys weren't calling him the greatest HW ever. Derp derpstock and Shitnose have him top 5 P4P even.

There also seems to be a connection between Ali-haters and Dempsey praisers, this is the same crowd. Thats you Shay Given, in the company of undesirables such as Johnstown and pepe le bitch. Its a laughable position and i question the agenda of anyone who takes it
P, why can't you refrain from insulting me ? Why can't you be civil ?
Either use my name as given and cut out the random insults or I will be forced to swim across the pond and take you into the wood shed...
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yeah that was his best 6 years 17-23. Nothing arbitrary. Moyle suggested the langford dates did he not?
Was Dempsey prime in 1917, when he was 21 years old?

Yes or no?
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:45 PM   #141
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I think that Jeanette looked rather fine on that film given his objectives. He just looked like he didn't want to get hit as a priority.
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:09 PM   #142
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Dempsey! Dempsey! Dempsey!

*swings golf club*
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:40 PM   #143
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The Gibbons fight is definately an telling victory for Dempsey for a couple of reasons.

It showed he could go 15 in the hot sun and he chased down a defensive specialist and won clearly on points.

For what its worth I would say Dempsey started hitting his prime in 1918. In 1917 he was still struggling against guys he would or should have been beaten easily a couple of years later.
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:47 PM   #144
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The Gibbons fight is definately an telling victory for Dempsey for a couple of reasons.

It showed he could go 15 in the hot sun and he chased down a defensive specialist and won clearly on points.
Good for Gibbons to have those AC's installed in his corner! Dempsey should have been so smart.

Dempsey clearly liked to go against the bigger guys than the smaller ones. And reading the next day reports and ringside quotes, he was really breaking down Gibbbons. On the other hand, Gibbons claimed that Dempsey fouled him the whole way with the house ref, Jimmy Daugherty, paid to look the other way.
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:08 PM   #145
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Was Dempsey prime in 1917, when he was 21 years old?

Yes or no?
Yerp imo.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:24 PM   #146
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Good for Gibbons to have those AC's installed in his corner! Dempsey should have been so smart.

Dempsey clearly liked to go against the bigger guys than the smaller ones. And reading the next day reports and ringside quotes, he was really breaking down Gibbbons. On the other hand, Gibbons claimed that Dempsey fouled him the whole way with the house ref, Jimmy Daugherty, paid to look the other way.
Dougherty was a close personal friend of Dempsey's, so he was definately there to protect the champ. Dempsey had personally requested his services for that fight, Miske, and one other which he was unsuccessful in getting his way.

Against Carpentier he used Harry Ertle who was also known to protect the house fighter.
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Dougherty was a close personal friend of Dempsey's, so he was definately there to protect the champ. Dempsey had personally requested his services for that fight, Miske, and one other which he was unsuccessful in getting his way.

Against Carpentier he used Harry Ertle who was also known to protect the house fighter.
Dougherty refereed Dempsey just twice.
He was a close personal friend of many boxers being a manager and promoter. I've read he was very colourful, with a big heart staking many down on their luck boxers , but never that he was crooked, until now that is.
I don't think Dempsey needed any protection against Carpentier.
Ertle only refereed Dempsey once ,and he had been the third man in the ring in Carpentier's previous fight so presumably he was acceptable to Carpentier?

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Old 01-26-2013, 03:07 AM   #148
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Dempsey v Carpentier, Boyle's Forty Acres, 1921
Was there even a "house fighter" at that match ?

At least half of America seemed to be supporting the Frenchman, because Dempsey was a draft-dodger.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:54 AM   #149
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I think Langford does look great on film. I think his trap setting is visible, whenever he works an opening he lands a bug punch. If anything it's testament to Jeannette he survived so many clean shots.

As well as the film there is also the fact that whilst blond and fat he countered and knocked out tiger flowers.

Dempsey looks good on til. Aside from the firpo fight. I need to watch the gibbons bout again though.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:05 AM   #150
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As well as the film there is also the fact that whilst blond and fat he countered and knocked out tiger flowers.
I'm picturing Langford in a curly Harpo Marx wig.
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