the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

[Addie]

I've been watching a lot of Sonny Liston recently. Specifically his fights with Whitehurst (II), Patterson (I & II), Bailey, Bethea, Clark, and Harris. It's easy to see why the man was thought to be unstoppable by the time he was fighting Cassius Clay, but he had shown certain weaknesses too his game also I think. Whitehurst performed admirably, hurting the future champion during the early goings, and throughout most of Liston's early, pre-title fights he would throw his right hand whilst off-balance. I assume Sonny was left handed with his jab and left hook being his main weapons, but although he could hurt with his right, he'd be off balance a lot of the time when throwing it. Certainly not as two-fisted as Clay or other Heavyweight greats that have came and went.

By the same token, I've also been watching Clay's earlier years too. Specifically his fights with Billy Daniels and and Sonny Banks. Banks dropped Clay with a beautiful left hook (I think) and Daniels also found the mark a few times during their bout. Clay stopped both men though, and despite being hit with a few shots he wouldn't have been happy about, his tremendous offense was on display on both occasions. A ridiculously smooth operator even as a 10 fight professional. Both Banks and Daniel were undefeated when Clay fought them, so he wasn't being given an easy start in the pro ranks.

I'm just about to watch Liston fight Westphal and Clay fight Miteff & Blin.

Edit: I also have Liston-Martin, one of Liston's later fights. I've seen the knockout. Brutal. Martin really flattened Liston.

[Flea Man]

You seen the two Cleveland Williams fights???

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

You seen the two Cleveland Williams fights???

I haven't.

I just watched Clay-Miteff. Gil Clancy was working Miteff's corner. Good, tough fight for the upcoming Clay who eventually finished the fight with a beautiful right hand. Clay's combinations were poetry in motion when he let his hands go. There wasn't as many right hand leads in this one, and although people often he said he never threw to body, Clay did mix in a few body shots against Miteff.

[orriray59]

I can't remember which Liston-Williams fight it was, but I remember Cleveland started well before getting stopped. He was tagging Sonny.

[Lester1583]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Another non-title bout of his I haven't seen, the next bout on it seems, against an ATG Filipino warrior Jun Llano.

That was amazing.

Excellent post, Flea.

Have you noticed Khaosai's work on the inside - absolutely mind-boggling.

He was a complete fighter.

But you already know that, of course.

Originally Posted by Flea Man

It's actually quite hard to see, I had to watch the reply to see whether it was a headbutt, a punch to the jaw or what, was pretty quick for Khaosai.

Shades of Pac-Torrecampo.

Originally Posted by Flea Man

boxrec lists Song as a bantam so it's probably overweight. This proves my theory that Galaxy would have dominated bantamweights if he wasn't busy chasing Watanabe, Roman and Espinoza

Gotta agree with you on this one.

Originally Posted by Flea Man

rayrobinson333 is the main mayne.

Have you seen Khaosai-Jose Luis Soto?

It's the earliest Galaxy fight available.

Khaosai is slightly less methodical in this one, exhibiting tremendous body movement and is fighting like a manlier version of Pacquiao.

Terrific performance by The Immortal One.

He was an underrated body puncher, by the way.

[LittleRed]

Lester I think you're underestimating Khaosai.

[Lester1583]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

Lester I think you're underestimating Khaosai.

It's just a natural reaction to Flea's blatant fanboyism towards Khaosai.

I'm just trying to be objective, LR.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by Lester1583

It's just a natural reaction to Flea's blatant fanboyism towards Khaosai.

I'm just trying to be objective, LR.

Can you blame him. Flea says he's the greatest Asian. Ever. At anything. I'm not sure I disagree.

[Flea Man]

Pac-Torrecampo is a fantastic comparison Lester.

You seen Pitchit being sparked out on YouTube?

[Addie]

Carlos Ortiz - Battling Torres

It's the first time I've really seen an Ortiz fight in it's entirety. I was actually quite impressed by both guys. Torres, for his ability to withstand what looked like ripping, hard punches for the best part of 10 rounds. Ortiz for his ability. Produced a lot of leverage on those right hands, decent jab, and he was patient. He never got wild when he landed a good shot. Good fight.

[Flea Man]

Looks I somehow deleted half of the Khaosai-Song post. Anyway, Khaosai dropped him to a knee once but couldn't drop him, he cornered him and battered him, mainly to the body, and the towel was thrown in.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by orriray59

I can't remember which Liston-Williams fight it was, but I remember Cleveland started well before getting stopped. He was tagging Sonny.

Can't remember which one either

Anyway, Liston proceeds to beat the snot out of him regardless

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Can't remember which one either

Anyway, Liston proceeds to beat the snot out of him regardless

This is it, I think. Williams was a tough fucker with a huge punch.

[Lester1583]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

You seen Pitchit being sparked out on YouTube?

???

Are you sure you're not confusing him with someone else?

There's only Pichit-Blanco uploaded by you.

[Flea Man]