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Old 01-26-2013, 11:33 AM   #286
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Hagler was shot? There is very little evidence to back up this claim. Hagler may have not been at his very best but he was far from shot. Hagler was not fighting often at this point but when he did fight he still looked good and he was winning by KO. In 1984 he stopped Roldan and Hamsho. In 1985 he stopped Hearns. In 1986 he stopped Mugabi. He lost very few rounds vs. these 4 fighters.

Oh, I guess because Roldan scored a knockdown in 1984 (questionable, and Hagler was not hurt) and Hearns cut Hagler in 1985, that he must have been slipping!?! Or maybe because Duran did better than expected in 1983? Duran was the only fighter that lasted the distance vs. Hagler between 9/1980 and 3/1986. When was this man great if he wasn't great in these fights?

Leonard retired in 1982. He had fought mostly at WW with a few fights at JMW mixed in, including a win over Ayub Kalule for the JMW World title belt, KO9. He did not defend the title and returned to WW to make 2 more defenses before retiring in 1982.

He returned in 1984 at WW and beat Kevin Howard, KO9. Leonard was dropped in the fight and retired again. Still, no fights at MW and comfortable at WW.

Leonard came back in 1987 for his first fight at MW and beat Hagler. It was a big win for Leonard.

So, tell me again how Leonard should have been favored and how he was picking on a washed up Hagler.
You must excuse Rooster. He's a good man, I like having him around and think every forum needs a redrooster-type, but he is well known in these parts for playing up a hatred for Leonard that is..........let's call it entertainingly single-minded. To the point, frankly, that it can't be taken terribly seriously. If Leonard gave a million dollars to charity, Rooster would claim that he stole the money from Hagler.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:41 AM   #287
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Hagler was shot? There is very little evidence to back up this claim. Hagler may have not been at his very best but he was far from shot. Hagler was not fighting often at this point but when he did fight he still looked good and he was winning by KO. In 1984 he stopped Roldan and Hamsho. In 1985 he stopped Hearns. In 1986 he stopped Mugabi. He lost very few rounds vs. these 4 fighters.

Oh, I guess because Roldan scored a knockdown in 1984 (questionable, and Hagler was not hurt) and Hearns cut Hagler in 1985, that he must have been slipping!?! Or maybe because Duran did better than expected in 1983? Duran was the only fighter that lasted the distance vs. Hagler between 9/1980 and 3/1986. When was this man great if he wasn't great in these fights?

Leonard retired in 1982. He had fought mostly at WW with a few fights at JMW mixed in, including a win over Ayub Kalule for the JMW World title belt, KO9. He did not defend the title and returned to WW to make 2 more defenses before retiring in 1982.

He returned in 1984 at WW and beat Kevin Howard, KO9. Leonard was dropped in the fight and retired again. Still, no fights at MW and comfortable at WW.

Leonard came back in 1987 for his first fight at MW and beat Hagler. It was a big win for Leonard.

So, tell me again how Leonard should have been favored and how he was picking on a washed up Hagler.
maybe u dont want to admit it openly and that's the real problem cuz if u did, it would take away from Leonard's accomplishment


how do u explain the exclamation on leonard's part "I can beat him!" following Hagler Mugaib?

leonard could have made the same statement following the first Hamsho fight but instead he preferred not to make waves lest he get the chance to prove it

obviously u cant tell the difference between one performance and the next

can u tell the difference between 1966 Ali & 1980 versions? becuz that's pretty much what we're looking at here

besides, Hagler's decline thru out 1984 is well documented; extended by Duran, hit repeatedly by cyclops Roldan, almost lost, etc
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:09 PM   #288
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I still feel Hagler won this fight, just 115-113, but it's not a robbery. Hagler came on strong because Ray ran out gas, probably due to his inactivity and questionable lifestyle outside of the ring. This was a close decision that could have gone either way, and I give Ray full credit for the win (even though I scored to Hagler), genius strategy
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:17 PM   #289
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imo Sugar Ray was the clear winner of that fight. 7-4-1 on my scorecard
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:53 PM   #290
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maybe u dont want to admit it openly and that's the real problem cuz if u did, it would take away from Leonard's accomplishment


how do u explain the exclamation on leonard's part "I can beat him!" following Hagler Mugaib?

leonard could have made the same statement following the first Hamsho fight but instead he preferred not to make waves lest he get the chance to prove it

obviously u cant tell the difference between one performance and the next

can u tell the difference between 1966 Ali & 1980 versions? becuz that's pretty much what we're looking at here

besides, Hagler's decline thru out 1984 is well documented; extended by Duran, hit repeatedly by cyclops Roldan, almost lost, etc
You probably think the lunar landing in '69 was fake, 911 was an "inside job", the Sandy Hook shootings were fake, and that the Ravens and the 49ers in the Super Bowl was prearranged.

'66 Ali was clearly better than '80 Ali but a case can be made that an early to mid-70's Ali (he should have retired in 1975) was as good or even better than '66 Ali. I'll explain. Yes, Ali wasn't as fast or flashy but he was smarter, bigger, and stronger. He was more experienced and proven vs. better competition. He know had faced Frazier x3, Norton x2, Foreman, and others. Sure, he was still a bit rusty vs. Frazier in their first fight and lost but he still fought great vs. another great. He clearly won their 2nd fight and managed to win their rubber match after going thru hell. He came in a little lazy vs. Norton and lost by decision. He beat Norton in their rematch. Norton should have won in '76 but I'm not going past '75. He was older and sometimes came to fight at less than 100% but he was still great and sometimes as good as he once was.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:57 PM   #291
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I still believe Leonard won round 3 - I read your case for Hagler, but I still feel Hagler did too little over the second half of the round, while Leonard scored with numerous lead rights.

I'm more surprised at your scores for the last two rounds. I thought Leonard clearly won the 11th while Hagler won the 12th.
Fair enough.

I'll look at the 11th and 12th again.

Round 11 starts at 4:56. I'm not gonna do a break down as detailed as the other one (calling notable landed/missed shots).

BORKED

I agree with you, round 11 was Leonard's. The first half of the round was even, but Leonard took it in the 2nd half.

Round 12 starts at 1:11

BORKED

I also agree with you, Hagler's round.

Good call on those 2 rounds, I've now switched them but still come out with 7-5 for Hagler.
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You probably think the lunar landing in '69 was fake, 911 was an "inside job", the Sandy Hook shootings were fake, and that the Ravens and the 49ers in the Super Bowl was prearranged.

'66 Ali was clearly better than '80 Ali but a case can be made that an early to mid-70's Ali (he should have retired in 1975) was as good or even better than '66 Ali. I'll explain. Yes, Ali wasn't as fast or flashy but he was smarter, bigger, and stronger. He was more experienced and proven vs. better competition. He know had faced Frazier x3, Norton x2, Foreman, and others. Sure, he was still a bit rusty vs. Frazier in their first fight and lost but he still fought great vs. another great. He clearly won their 2nd fight and managed to win their rubber match after going thru hell. He came in a little lazy vs. Norton and lost by decision. He beat Norton in their rematch. Norton should have won in '76 but I'm not going past '75. He was older and sometimes came to fight at less than 100% but he was still great and sometimes as good as he once was.
I asked why Leonard didnt make known his revelation that he could beat Hagler until after scraping by Mugabi. Why not declare it during the first Hamsho fight? In fact, Ray said he wanted Hagler then but by fight's end had already chickened out. He chickened out of it becuz he knew the only possible outcome would be himself lying facefirst, courtesy of a Hagler fight hook


Fact is, he was no more interested in Hagler then than he was in Micheal Nunn after witnessing the decapitation of Kalambay from ringside, or an immediate rematch with Norris
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:17 PM   #293
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I think Leonard was robbed of a UD.


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Old 01-26-2013, 04:18 PM   #294
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You must excuse Rooster. He's a good man, I like having him around and think every forum needs a redrooster-type, but he is well known in these parts for playing up a hatred for Leonard that is..........let's call it entertainingly single-minded. To the point, frankly, that it can't be taken terribly seriously. If Leonard gave a million dollars to charity, Rooster would claim that he stole the money from Hagler.
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Fair enough.

I'll look at the 11th and 12th again.

Round 11 starts at 4:56. I'm not gonna do a break down as detailed as the other one (calling notable landed/missed shots).

BORKED

I agree with you, round 11 was Leonard's. The first half of the round was even, but Leonard took it in the 2nd half.

Round 12 starts at 1:11

BORKED

I also agree with you, Hagler's round.

Good call on those 2 rounds, I've now switched them but still come out with 7-5 for Hagler.

I agree with the 11th..Good call..Good footage!..
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:48 AM   #296
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You probably think the lunar landing in '69 was fake, 911 was an "inside job", the Sandy Hook shootings were fake, and that the Ravens and the 49ers in the Super Bowl was prearranged.

'66 Ali was clearly better than '80 Ali but a case can be made that an early to mid-70's Ali (he should have retired in 1975) was as good or even better than '66 Ali. I'll explain. Yes, Ali wasn't as fast or flashy but he was smarter, bigger, and stronger. He was more experienced and proven vs. better competition. He know had faced Frazier x3, Norton x2, Foreman, and others. Sure, he was still a bit rusty vs. Frazier in their first fight and lost but he still fought great vs. another great. He clearly won their 2nd fight and managed to win their rubber match after going thru hell. He came in a little lazy vs. Norton and lost by decision. He beat Norton in their rematch. Norton should have won in '76 but I'm not going past '75. He was older and sometimes came to fight at less than 100% but he was still great and sometimes as good as he once was.
The Rooster also thinks that on the same night. Terry Norris beats both
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