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Old 01-26-2013, 06:33 AM   #3031
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Harry Arroyo W10 Robin Blake - I had this 6-4 for Arroyo and that is about as close as it could be i think. Seems like a couple rounds I gave to Blake could have gone either way. No reason for Blake to be whining about the decision after the fight right next to the always classy Arroyo. Blake was good, but never found a way to deal with guys like Arroyo and Crawley who had a distinct spped/reflex advantage. He was a very good combination puncher and well schooled but couldn't let his hands go against these guys. This was a Gil Clancy announced fight and in every single orthodox vs southpaw fight he ever called he mentions the battle of the footwork and getting the lead foot outside of the opponent. Arroyo won this battle but his abillity to slide to his right really thwarted any Blake onslought. Blake needed to press this fight more and try to turn it into a brawl. He wasn't outboxing Arroyo. Good fight. Arroyo wasn't great but very good and enjoyable to watch.

Eusebio Pedroza vs Hector Carrasquilla TKO 11 - Did not bother to score but Pedroza controlled this fight. Carrasquilla brought that same rythmic, herky jerk attack like a lot of the Panamanians but Pedroza was just much smoother. I put this as one of my favorite Pedroza efforts with the Ford fight being tops. He showed some finishing ability which faded later in his title reign. Great fighter. Reminds me of Hagler and Gomez in that I think of them as 80's fighters but some of their best work was late 70's. Also got me to thinking of Ali, Monzon, Pedroza as guys who successfully could do the pull back with hands down move. Seems Pedroza tended to do it totally with upper body while keeping his feet stationary. I'm thinking he did not give ground with his feet when doing this, therefore not giving his opponent room to press forward and gain momentum for a thunderous hook. As opposed to say Curry against McCallum who both pulled back with his head as well as moved back with his feet, allowing McCallum to step in. Probably overthinking this, but interesting stuff nonetheless.
Good to see more of Pedroza at this stage of his career. Thanks to Flea for this upload.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:21 AM   #3032
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Watched Margarito vs Mosley, Corrales vs Mayweather and Taylor vs Wright.

Nice to see Mosley do what he did. Gonna have to go rewatch a few of his others.

Damn Mayweather was quick back then. Really hard to pin down.

Taylor vs Wright was really entertaining. Taylor seemed to really bother him due to the size and power. But Wright a much better technician.

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Old 01-26-2013, 10:22 AM   #3033
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A Khaosai bout I haven't seen before (yay) Vs Kap Sup Song, a non-title bout after his hard-fought win over Thai great Kongtoranee Payakaroon. No weights listed, boxrec lists Song as a bantam so it's probably overweight, so I guess I'm gonna' see Khaosai a bit closer to his actual size

GALAXY:
SONG:

Quick note. I've pasued the first round, and I rarely do this. But STRAIGHT AWAY this Korean non-entity is tagging Khaosai with the right () and he can match Khaosai for size. Well, he's taller than him, and well built. But where he can't match Khaosai for size is in the LEGS. Unlucky mayne.

Right, here we go....

GALAXY: 1; 2 (+1) 3; 4; 5; 6;
SONG:

Close first round. Song seemed to make Khaosai fall short for most of it and landed a few clean shots (no effect) but but then the Korean backed off and Galaxy cornered him and hammered him to the body. Seemed to be a few head clashes.
Early in 2nd. A trade-off of straight punches sees the Korean land last and a bit firmer. Buoyed by that success it seems, he takes off after Khaosai. He throws a few flurries and tries to close the distance now, but again, like in the first round, he's caught right at the d
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:44 AM   #3034
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Another non-title bout of his I haven't seen, the next bout on it seems, against your typical low end Filipino journeyman type Jun Llano.

Oh, dear. Khaosai getting outjabbed early and falling short. Oh, dear! Khaosai catches a clean one-two and his legs go after a delayed reaction. **** me Llano is all over him, in-and-out, offensive variety. Spanking Khaosai at the end of the round. He might be cut, can't really see. As is often the case in Khaosai fights, he looked utterly disorganised there.

In the 2nd Khaosai still slow but got the better of the exchanges here, Llano is still in there but seems to have shown his hand already.

In the 3rd round it's rough stuff, with both men dragging their punches over and lazily ****ting each other tit-for-tat. Then, Khaosai smashes the game journeyman like The Hulk did Loki, stepping under a telegraphed right hand and folding Llano with a left to the body. It's actually quite hard to see, I had to watch the reply to see whether it was a headbutt, a punch to the jaw or what, was pretty quick for Khaosai. Llano is clearly in some pain and down for a while.

GALAXY: 2;
LLANO: 1;

That was fun. rayrobinson333 is the main mayne.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:59 AM   #3035
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I've been watching a lot of Sonny Liston recently. Specifically his fights with Whitehurst (II), Patterson (I & II), Bailey, Bethea, Clark, and Harris. It's easy to see why the man was thought to be unstoppable by the time he was fighting Cassius Clay, but he had shown certain weaknesses too his game also I think. Whitehurst performed admirably, hurting the future champion during the early goings, and throughout most of Liston's early, pre-title fights he would throw his right hand whilst off-balance. I assume Sonny was left handed with his jab and left hook being his main weapons, but although he could hurt with his right, he'd be off balance a lot of the time when throwing it. Certainly not as two-fisted as Clay or other Heavyweight greats that have came and went.

By the same token, I've also been watching Clay's earlier years too. Specifically his fights with Billy Daniels and and Sonny Banks. Banks dropped Clay with a beautiful left hook (I think) and Daniels also found the mark a few times during their bout. Clay stopped both men though, and despite being hit with a few shots he wouldn't have been happy about, his tremendous offense was on display on both occasions. A ridiculously smooth operator even as a 10 fight professional. Both Banks and Daniel were undefeated when Clay fought them, so he wasn't being given an easy start in the pro ranks.

I'm just about to watch Liston fight Westphal and Clay fight Miteff & Blin.

Edit: I also have Liston-Martin, one of Liston's later fights. I've seen the knockout. Brutal. Martin really flattened Liston.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:15 AM   #3036
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You seen the two Cleveland Williams fights???
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:29 AM   #3037
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You seen the two Cleveland Williams fights???
I haven't.

I just watched Clay-Miteff. Gil Clancy was working Miteff's corner. Good, tough fight for the upcoming Clay who eventually finished the fight with a beautiful right hand. Clay's combinations were poetry in motion when he let his hands go. There wasn't as many right hand leads in this one, and although people often he said he never threw to body, Clay did mix in a few body shots against Miteff.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:07 PM   #3038
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Another non-title bout of his I haven't seen, the next bout on it seems, against an ATG Filipino warrior Jun Llano.

That was amazing.
Excellent post, Flea.

Have you noticed Khaosai's work on the inside - absolutely mind-boggling.

He was a complete fighter.

But you already know that, of course.

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It's actually quite hard to see, I had to watch the reply to see whether it was a headbutt, a punch to the jaw or what, was pretty quick for Khaosai.
Shades of Pac-Torrecampo.

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boxrec lists Song as a bantam so it's probably overweight. This proves my theory that Galaxy would have dominated bantamweights if he wasn't busy chasing Watanabe, Roman and Espinoza
Gotta agree with you on this one.

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rayrobinson333 is the main mayne.
Have you seen Khaosai-Jose Luis Soto?

It's the earliest Galaxy fight available.

Khaosai is slightly less methodical in this one, exhibiting tremendous body movement and is fighting like a manlier version of Pacquiao.

Terrific performance by The Immortal One.

He was an underrated body puncher, by the way.

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Old 01-26-2013, 12:49 PM   #3039
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Lester I think you're underestimating Khaosai.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:59 PM   #3040
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Lester I think you're underestimating Khaosai.
It's just a natural reaction to Flea's blatant fanboyism towards Khaosai.

I'm just trying to be objective, LR.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:30 PM   #3041
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It's just a natural reaction to Flea's blatant fanboyism towards Khaosai.

I'm just trying to be objective, LR.
Can you blame him. Flea says he's the greatest Asian. Ever. At anything. I'm not sure I disagree.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:37 PM   #3042
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Pac-Torrecampo is a fantastic comparison Lester.

You seen Pitchit being sparked out on YouTube?
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:39 PM   #3043
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Carlos Ortiz - Battling Torres

It's the first time I've really seen an Ortiz fight in it's entirety. I was actually quite impressed by both guys. Torres, for his ability to withstand what looked like ripping, hard punches for the best part of 10 rounds. Ortiz for his ability. Produced a lot of leverage on those right hands, decent jab, and he was patient. He never got wild when he landed a good shot. Good fight.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:45 PM   #3044
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Looks I somehow deleted half of the Khaosai-Song post. Anyway, Khaosai dropped him to a knee once but couldn't drop him, he cornered him and battered him, mainly to the body, and the towel was thrown in.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:47 PM   #3045
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I can't remember which Liston-Williams fight it was, but I remember Cleveland started well before getting stopped. He was tagging Sonny.
Can't remember which one either

Anyway, Liston proceeds to beat the snot out of him regardless
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