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Old 01-26-2013, 07:44 PM   #61
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One reason is that the two main promoters Top Rank and Golden Boy have focused on the lighter weights many of whom do not even speak English and they appeal to the Hispanic portion of the population. Both promoters make deals with HBO and Showtime to feature their "stars" which do not include the heavier weights.

Deontay Wilder
David Rodriguez
Malik Scott
Joe Hanks
Amir Mansou
Jonathon Banks
Bryant Jennings

if presented correctly by interested promoters could be credible and top of the page contenders.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:00 PM   #62
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hw contenders(pretenders) fighting c-n after c-n. too funny. guys like wilder, ortiz, mansour, price, boytsov. they could fight each other like the old days to fight the champ. im so tired of it lol
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:33 AM   #63
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Another major factor:

If you're a large, athletic teenager in the USA, from a poor family, you have a decent chance of going to college on an athletic scholarship. That means Football, Basketball, or baseball.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:09 AM   #64
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Now all you need is for soccer to be a full contact sport.

Nice attempt at being clever, but you look like an ass. The fact is that HW Boxing's decline correlates directly with the rise of cable television and huge NFL contracts. The US is quite capable of competing in all weight classes below which viable athletes are found for our core sports.
What does being a full contact sport have to do with anything? We're talking about grass roots level here, not crossovers. Wake up and get with the program. Soccer drains potential athletes from boxing same as every other popular big money sport, only it drains them from all weight classes. What was Sergio Martinez's background? Cycling and soccer. Why did David Price become a boxer? Because he couldn't hack it in soccer. What is Hatton's first love and passion? Soccer.

Stop being an ass yourself and thinking your country's unique in this regard.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:10 AM   #65
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hw contenders(pretenders) fighting c-n after c-n. too funny. guys like wilder, ortiz, mansour, price, boytsov. they could fight each other like the old days to fight the champ. im so tired of it lol
Precisely. That's one of the major problems there. Fighters not fighting each other.

Who cares how athletic they are if they're just going to pad their records fighting bums?
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:16 AM   #66
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In Europe it is the same...i think even worse.
Football and then nothing.
Football (soccer) first, then, depending on the country, tennis, rugby, cricket, basketball...

Boxing's way down the list wherever you go. That's something a lot of Americans can't seem to understand.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:23 AM   #67
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One reason is that the two main promoters Top Rank and Golden Boy have focused on the lighter weights many of whom do not even speak English and they appeal to the Hispanic portion of the population. Both promoters make deals with HBO and Showtime to feature their "stars" which do not include the heavier weights.

Deontay Wilder
David Rodriguez
Malik Scott
Joe Hanks
Amir Mansou
Jonathon Banks
Bryant Jennings

if presented correctly by interested promoters could be credible and top of the page contenders.
Absolutely. If those ****ers actually fought each other, and other credible opponents, didn't take lengthy breaks recovering from injuries, landing themselves in jail or just being lazy arses then you'd have a decent bunch of contenders on your hands.

Banks, Jennings and even Mitchell are the best of the bunch because they've actually been willing to mix it up with solid level fighters. Chambers and Cunningham even more so.

Fighters become good through fighting, not by some mystical athleticism index. That's always been the case.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:13 AM   #68
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Again- fallacy of small numbers.

A tiny, tiny percentage of American atheletes over 6 foot play in the NBA/NFL.

Its a joke, man. No one who understands basic mathematics can take that argument seriously.
And this cat probably probably hits floor early as well, as would many of the football players
Just being a physical speciman doesn't mean you win in the ring
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:20 AM   #69
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Precisely. That's one of the major problems there. Fighters not fighting each other.

Who cares how athletic they are if they're just going to pad their records fighting bums?
In relation the Heavyweight landscape nowadays, the gap between the K2 and next Heavyweight is pretty big. I mean you see most of the Klitschko opponents have pretty shit records.

The question to me is, How do you prepare to face these guys when most of the other B-Level guys are shit?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:20 AM   #70
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And this cat probably probably hits floor early as well, as would many of the football players
Just being a physical speciman doesn't mean you win in the ring
That's always been the case until now. Suddenly seven foot freaks from the NBA and juiced up muscleheads are seen as potential heavyweight greats being cruelly ripped from our sport by the lure of big money contracts, allowing all the commies to have their fun. Jesus Christ.

Has anyone even seen Frazier try to do anything remotely athletic outside of boxing? Or Foreman?
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:33 AM   #71
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Boxing doesn't offer long-term income-based contracts like basketball, football or soccer do.

Which contract what you choose? Become a pro boxer and make 50k on your debut fight, and continue to do so 3 times a year. If you lose twice in a row you're pretty much done and can go to flipping burgers at Wendys. Luck plays a big role. Picking the right opponents, not getting a freak cut in a fight etc.

Or get drafted by one of the clubs, get a 500k+ net guaranteed income a year for the next 3 years, with a chance of extending it until you're 35.

Hypothetically let's say you're ranking at #55 in your profession (NBA/NFL/Soccer/Hockey or Boxing). Where do you make the most money for the least career/health risk? Definitely not in boxing.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:33 AM   #72
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Another major factor:

If you're a large, athletic teenager in the USA, from a poor family, you have a decent chance of going to college on an athletic scholarship. That means Football, Basketball, or baseball.

Boxing? Not a chance.

Plus, boxing obviously is dangerous to your brain. - OK, so is football, but that is not the common perception.

So which sport is Mom & Pop going to steer you into?
you act like all these 'euro' countries have boxing scholarships
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:37 AM   #73
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Now all you need is for soccer to be a full contact sport.

Nice attempt at being clever, but you look like an ass. The fact is that HW Boxing's decline correlates directly with the rise of cable television and huge NFL contracts. The US is quite capable of competing in all weight classes below which viable athletes are found for our core sports.
interesting....seeing as you have 4 million adults playing ''soccer'' (17 million people in total)..more than any other nation on earth and more than play NFL......yet you still produce MW, SMW (well one), and LHW....yet less people are in NFL....but you cant produce a HW? I think your logic is floored.

all our super middle weights are playing football.

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Old 01-27-2013, 05:57 AM   #74
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I think Its down to being matched too soft on the way up and not taking chances until they have become too comfy and relaxed.
There are far more active American HWs than all of the European countries combined HWs, but the match making is far tougher in Europe
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:12 AM   #75
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It's the same thing here is Australia, you can play Rugby train for a couple of years to make over a million plus the lifestyle or train in obscurity for years in hope of a payday that may never come.
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