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Old 01-26-2013, 07:59 PM   #31
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Rounds are earned not stolen, but apparently official and unofficial judges chose when and where to apply that criteria.

Going into that fight I knew Hagler had only two ways to get his hands raised vs Leonard. Score a Knockout or completely dominate rounds to bank them.
Neither of those two happened and so the fight went to the media darling.
Boxing business and politics as usual.
ray did more than what judges and people expected that's why he got the nod.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:14 PM   #32
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Watched it Live as kid on Closed Circuit and Ray won 7 rounds and I score the fight the same EVERY TIME. It's a VERY EASY fight to score. The Definition of "Ring Generalship"
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:21 PM   #33
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Watched it Live as kid on Closed Circuit and Ray won 7 rounds and I score the fight the same EVERY TIME. It's a VERY EASY fight to score. The Definition of "Ring Generalship"
i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:29 PM   #34
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Rounds are earned not stolen, but apparently official and unofficial judges chose when and where to apply that criteria.

Going into that fight I knew Hagler had only two ways to get his hands raised vs Leonard. Score a Knockout or completely dominate rounds to bank them.
Neither of those two happened and so the fight went to the media darling.
Boxing business and politics as usual
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i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.
No sir, Ray Leonard delivered, did his thing while Hagler couldn't.... It's why two judges gave him the nod.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:29 PM   #35
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Default Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler?

This fight is often widly distorted by fans of both guys. neither guy was ithier prime, although both were still top notch. The majority going into the fight though that Hagler would destroy him....myself included.

SRL was more active, and his mobility caused Hagler a number of problems. Hagler is noticably slower (although SRL does deerve some credit for exploiting that)...especially his hook which looks almost cumbersome. Hagler does come on...but is it enough to swing it back his way. Either way you will have 50% of boxing fans agree with you/

For me I had Hagler by a point but it is no robbery whichever way you score it....unless you score it wide one way or the other. To me Hagler won, but he allowed SRL to control the tempo and wasn active enough untill to late...so he has no one to blame but himself.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:32 PM   #36
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i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.
He's my IDOL and I agree. Hagler will have to live with letting Ray control the first 4 Rounds gaining control by "running".
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:36 PM   #37
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Default Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler?

I still don't see how Hagler could have won it. I'll watch it again when I get the chance. I've been planning to do it

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i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.
in a close fight, the fighter landing more clean and effective punches gets the round
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:36 PM   #38
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He's my IDOL and I agree. Hagler will have to live with letting Ray control the first 4 Rounds gaining control by "running".
no...hagler got 1st and 2nd round.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:44 PM   #39
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no...hagler got 1st and 2nd round.
Leonard won the first few rounds pretty clearly
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:49 PM   #40
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No matter who you say won, it is a fight that says more about the greatness of Leonard than of Hagler, although Hagler was also past his prime.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:51 PM   #41
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Big fan of both guys but I think Hagler won the fight. Only watched the fight about 3-4 times but everytime I had Hagler winning by at least a point.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:10 PM   #42
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no...hagler got 1st and 2nd round.
The first two are the clearest SRL rounds in the whole fight.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:18 PM   #43
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The second round is not clear at all.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:23 PM   #44
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I gave it to hagler, it was close since he threw away the early rounds.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:27 PM   #45
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The second round is not clear at all.
It's a pretty clear round for Leonard
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