Who won? Leonard or Hagler? - Page 3

divac · 01-26-2013, 07:37 PM

Rounds are earned not stolen, but apparently official and unofficial judges chose when and where to apply that criteria.

Going into that fight I knew Hagler had only two ways to get his hands raised vs Leonard. Score a Knockout or completely dominate rounds to bank them.
Neither of those two happened and so the fight went to the media darling.
Boxing business and politics as usual.

dodong · 01-26-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

Sugar Ray Leonard, 7 rounds to 5.

Hagler knows he lost. Score the fight, but look at Hagler's face as the final bell sounds.

no...he was the favorite and he expected to have done better.

hagler did enough and had it 7-5.

dodong · 01-26-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by divac

Rounds are earned not stolen, but apparently official and unofficial judges chose when and where to apply that criteria.

Going into that fight I knew Hagler had only two ways to get his hands raised vs Leonard. Score a Knockout or completely dominate rounds to bank them.
Neither of those two happened and so the fight went to the media darling.
Boxing business and politics as usual.

ray did more than what judges and people expected that's why he got the nod.

bigtime-skills · 01-26-2013, 08:14 PM

Watched it Live as kid on Closed Circuit and Ray won 7 rounds and I score the fight the same EVERY TIME. It's a VERY EASY fight to score. The Definition of "Ring Generalship"

dodong · 01-26-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtime-skills

Watched it Live as kid on Closed Circuit and Ray won 7 rounds and I score the fight the same EVERY TIME. It's a VERY EASY fight to score. The Definition of "Ring Generalship"

i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.

BobDigi5060 · 01-26-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by divac

Rounds are earned not stolen, but apparently official and unofficial judges chose when and where to apply that criteria.

Going into that fight I knew Hagler had only two ways to get his hands raised vs Leonard. Score a Knockout or completely dominate rounds to bank them.
Neither of those two happened and so the fight went to the media darling.
Boxing business and politics as usual.

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Originally Posted by dodong

i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.

No sir, Ray Leonard delivered, did his thing while Hagler couldn't.... It's why two judges gave him the nod.

PhillyPhan69 · 01-26-2013, 08:29 PM

This fight is often widly distorted by fans of both guys. neither guy was ithier prime, although both were still top notch. The majority going into the fight though that Hagler would destroy him....myself included.

SRL was more active, and his mobility caused Hagler a number of problems. Hagler is noticably slower (although SRL does deerve some credit for exploiting that)...especially his hook which looks almost cumbersome. Hagler does come on...but is it enough to swing it back his way. Either way you will have 50% of boxing fans agree with you/

For me I had Hagler by a point but it is no robbery whichever way you score it....unless you score it wide one way or the other. To me Hagler won, but he allowed SRL to control the tempo and wasn active enough untill to late...so he has no one to blame but himself.

bigtime-skills · 01-26-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dodong

i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.

He's my IDOL and I agree. Hagler will have to live with letting Ray control the first 4 Rounds gaining control by "running".

bballchump11 · 01-26-2013, 08:36 PM

I still don't see how Hagler could have won it. I'll watch it again when I get the chance. I've been planning to do it

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Originally Posted by dodong

i like ray, but he was running like a bitch on this fight. in a close round, the boxer pushing for the fight gets it.

in a close fight, the fighter landing more clean and effective punches gets the round

dodong · 01-26-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtime-skills

He's my IDOL and I agree. Hagler will have to live with letting Ray control the first 4 Rounds gaining control by "running".

no...hagler got 1st and 2nd round.

bballchump11 · 01-26-2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dodong

no...hagler got 1st and 2nd round.

Leonard won the first few rounds pretty clearly

anj · 01-26-2013, 08:49 PM

No matter who you say won, it is a fight that says more about the greatness of Leonard than of Hagler, although Hagler was also past his prime.

Andy McNab · 01-26-2013, 08:51 PM

Big fan of both guys but I think Hagler won the fight. Only watched the fight about 3-4 times but everytime I had Hagler winning by at least a point.

SJS19 · 01-26-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dodong

no...hagler got 1st and 2nd round.

The first two are the clearest SRL rounds in the whole fight.

Vyborg1917 · 01-26-2013, 09:18 PM

The second round is not clear at all.

01-26-2013, 07:37 PM	#31
divac Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: LosAngeles Posts: 11,429 vCash: 75	Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler? Rounds are earned not stolen, but apparently official and unofficial judges chose when and where to apply that criteria. Going into that fight I knew Hagler had only two ways to get his hands raised vs Leonard. Score a Knockout or completely dominate rounds to bank them. Neither of those two happened and so the fight went to the media darling. Boxing business and politics as usual.
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01-26-2013, 08:14 PM	#34
bigtime-skills Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Heart of Champions Posts: 1,209 vCash: 1000	Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler? Watched it Live as kid on Closed Circuit and Ray won 7 rounds and I score the fight the same EVERY TIME. It's a VERY EASY fight to score. The Definition of "Ring Generalship"
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01-26-2013, 08:29 PM	#37
PhillyPhan69 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Salisbury, MD Posts: 3,710 vCash: 1000	Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler? This fight is often widly distorted by fans of both guys. neither guy was ithier prime, although both were still top notch. The majority going into the fight though that Hagler would destroy him....myself included. SRL was more active, and his mobility caused Hagler a number of problems. Hagler is noticably slower (although SRL does deerve some credit for exploiting that)...especially his hook which looks almost cumbersome. Hagler does come on...but is it enough to swing it back his way. Either way you will have 50% of boxing fans agree with you/ For me I had Hagler by a point but it is no robbery whichever way you score it....unless you score it wide one way or the other. To me Hagler won, but he allowed SRL to control the tempo and wasn active enough untill to late...so he has no one to blame but himself.
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01-26-2013, 08:49 PM	#42
anj Fuck The Judges ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Durham/Essex, England Posts: 1,989 vCash: 300	Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler? No matter who you say won, it is a fight that says more about the greatness of Leonard than of Hagler, although Hagler was also past his prime.
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01-26-2013, 08:51 PM	#43
Andy McNab Former SAS operative ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: My Bunker with my guns Posts: 4,115 vCash: 331	Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler? Big fan of both guys but I think Hagler won the fight. Only watched the fight about 3-4 times but everytime I had Hagler winning by at least a point.
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01-26-2013, 09:18 PM	#45
Vyborg1917 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 730 vCash: 792	Re: Who won? Leonard or Hagler? The second round is not clear at all.
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