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Old 01-26-2013, 09:22 AM   #151
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As well as the film there is also the fact that whilst blond and fat he countered and knocked out tiger flowers.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:35 AM   #152
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:50 AM   #153
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:47 AM   #154
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Dempsey v Carpentier, Boyle's Forty Acres, 1921
Was there even a "house fighter" at that match ?

At least half of America seemed to be supporting the Frenchman, because Dempsey was a draft-dodger.
" House fighter", Dempsey was booed into the ring.
Isn't the internet great ?
You can accuse an official of corruption without providing one shred of proof for your libel,and from the anonymnity ,and safety of your key board .
Any wishing to read up on James Dougherty will find he had a big heart and helped out many down on their luck boxers such as Battling Nelson. I don't think they will find much in the way of dirty washing to uncover.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:16 AM   #155
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Watched Dempsey v carpentier again and i can't help but notice the amount of times Dempsey walks into that overhand right. I reckon he probably felt he could take it and decided to walk through to land his own, but can anyone really envision him walking through Sam?

Dempsey was very good at bullying the fighters of his size and excellent at utilising his advantages against those bigger than her but i don't think he has the durability of he's better when it comes to taking what Sam will dish out.
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Watched Dempsey v carpentier again and i can't help but notice the amount of times Dempsey walks into that overhand right. I reckon he probably felt he could take it and decided to walk through to land his own, but can anyone really envision him walking through Sam?

Dempsey was very good at bullying the fighters of his size and excellent at utilising his advantages against those bigger than her but i don't think he has the durability of he's better when it comes to taking what Sam will dish out.
Dempsey MADE his reputation on bigger fighters than he and Sam Langford
while a great "small heavyweight", was kod numerous times, so Dempsey would most likely prevail in a bout prime for prime...Two tough great heavyweights, and I go along with a Dempsey and Louis,and young Mike Tyson over Langford IMO. I could be wrong of course...
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Dempsey MADE his reputation on bigger fighters than he and Sam Langford
while a great "small heavyweight", was kod numerous times, so Dempsey would most likely prevail in a bout prime for prime...Two tough great heavyweights, and I go along with a Dempsey and Louis,and young Mike Tyson over Langford IMO. I could be wrong of course...
Equally you could be right.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:38 PM   #158
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I'll take Demspey's word for it. If he said he could never envision defeating Langford no matter how good he became that's good enough for me.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:40 PM   #159
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Dempsey MADE his reputation on bigger fighters than he and Sam Langford
while a great "small heavyweight", was kod numerous times, so Dempsey would most likely prevail in a bout prime for prime...Two tough great heavyweights, and I go along with a Dempsey and Louis,and young Mike Tyson over Langford IMO. I could be wrong of course...
I take Louis and Tyson over Langford but I envision Dempsey winning the rounds until Langford wallops him.
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"John the Barber always had something up his sleeve. "Alright, just as you say," he said "How about Gunboat Smith?" He was still grinning.

Gunboat Smith could box rings around me and he could hit like a mule's kick. The papers had called him "the white heavyweight champion" before Jess Willard beat Jack Johnson the year before.

I shook my head again. Smith could lick me, I knew. But I wasn't afraid of him, as I was of Langford, I just didn't see any sense in a kid out of his teens fighting a real pro who could disgrace him. I'd take Smith in time, and did, but this wasn't the time to try it. Langford I could never see myself beating."

Jack Dempsey, 'Dempsey by the Man Himself' Simon and Schuster, 1960.
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sounds like burt is disagreeing with Dempsey himself.
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[quote=mcvey;14653454
Isn't the internet great ?
You can accuse an official of corruption without providing one shred of proof for your libel,and from the anonymnity ,and safety of your key board .
Any wishing to read up on James Dougherty will find he had a big heart and helped out many down on their luck boxers such as Battling Nelson. I don't think they will find much in the way of dirty washing to uncover.[/QUOTE]

From Moyle's book on Miske...

From Tommy Gibbon...
"You can tell the world that Jim Dougherty won't referee for me again. Every time he broke us, he picked on me, and would set me back so Dempsey would jump in... He didn't say anything about Dempsey's fouls..."

From St. Paul Pioneer Press...
"Referee permitted Dempsey to hit low four or five times during the bout and never even cautioned the champion for his foul tactics. Twice the champion hit Tommy with hard blows after the bell... but not once was he warned... The fans did not approve of Dempsey's tactics or Dougherty's for, and time and again they roared their disapproval."

The following the Dempsey-Gibbons affair, Tommy exhibited his groin (oh yeah) to timekeeper Richard Burke which was covered in black and blue. Burke suggested the press know about it but Gibbons declined to mention it as an alibi. This story was corroborated by Montana oil man Tip O'Neill.
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sounds like burt is disagreeing with Dempsey himself.
luf, I may have a split personality but Dempsey was quoting his thoughts
of the time his then manager John the Barber wanted to throw young Dempsey to the wolves to fight the feared seasoned Sam Langford. This was when he fought John Lester Johnson in NY, when Dempsey was half the fighter he was two years later when Jack Kearns became his manager...This Dempsey of 1916 was not the Manassa Mauler of the Willard fight and his soon prime,1919-23...
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From Moyle's book on Miske...

From Tommy Gibbon...
"You can tell the world that Jim Dougherty won't referee for me again. Every time he broke us, he picked on me, and would set me back so Dempsey would jump in... He didn't say anything about Dempsey's fouls..."

From St. Paul Pioneer Press...
"Referee permitted Dempsey to hit low four or five times during the bout and never even cautioned the champion for his foul tactics. Twice the champion hit Tommy with hard blows after the bell... but not once was he warned... The fans did not approve of Dempsey's tactics or Dougherty's for, and time and again they roared their disapproval."

The following the Dempsey-Gibbons affair, Tommy exhibited his groin (oh yeah) to timekeeper Richard Burke which was covered in black and blue. Burke suggested the press know about it but Gibbons declined to mention it as an alibi. This story was corroborated by Montana oil man Tip O'Neill.
St Paul Pioneer Press ? Hardly objective as a source , it was Gibbons home town.

You do know that Dempsey and Gibbons stood about in the ring for half an hour before Dougherty consented to enter the ring and referee I suppose?
Dougherty went on strike because his $5000 guarantee for refereeing was not forth coming in advance from Kearns ,so he refused to officiate he held out for half an hour whilst the two boxers waited in the ring.
Hardly conducive to doing Dempsey any favours I should have thought.


Dempsey worked Gibbons body for 3 rounds taking them, then shifted to the head but was outboxed for the 4th 5th & 6th rds. Dempsey went back to his body attack and controlled the rest of the fight.
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St Paul Pioneer Press ? Hardly objective as a source , it was Gibbons home town.

You do know that Dempsey and Gibbons stood about in the ring for half an hour before Dougherty consented to enter the ring and referee I suppose?
Dougherty went on strike because his $5000 guarantee for refereeing was not forth coming in advance from Kearns ,so he refused to officiate he held out for half an hour whilst the two boxers waited in the ring.
Hardly conducive to doing Dempsey any favours I should have thought.


Dempsey worked Gibbons body for 3 rounds taking them, then shifted to the head but was outboxed for the 4th 5th & 6th rds. Dempsey went back to his body attack and controlled the rest of the fight.
Ringside Report from United News Staff Westbrook Pegler
"(Gibbons) was the first man to go the limit with Dempsey since Jack won the title. Dempsey was given the decision by Jimmu Daugherty of Philadelphia, his roommate and private referee who favored him in foul work all through the mauling. It was a disastrous afternoon for Dempsey, for he lost as much in prestige as Gibbons gained and that is a large measure."

"Gibbons was flung against the ropes... and his body went beneath and outside the top strand. He was ducking to get back into the find when Dempsey was upon him with a downward smash of his right to the neck... Daugherty ignored it. Dempsey struck Gibbons low several times in the middle rounds. Daugherty didn't see them. They were ordered to break clan and back away at the referee's command. Repeatedly on the breaks Dempsey would leap in with long smashes at the chin... Daugherty said nothing to Dempsey. Daugherty is always the first caller at Dempsey's room when the champion goes East. Daugherty was the only man Dempsey would have in his second fight with Miske. Daughtery was the man Dempsey insisted on as referee in Shelby."
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