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Old 01-27-2013, 01:16 AM   #61
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If Pacquiao style = Downaire style, and

Rigo style = JMM style

we got your point.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:21 AM   #62
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If Pacquiao style = Downaire style, and

Rigo style = JMM style

we got your point.
that wasn't the point at all
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:22 AM   #63
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:29 AM   #64
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I'll start off first saying Donaire is an extraordinary fighter and has the potential to become an atg especially with the talent around his weight class. I actually like Donaire as a fighter when he's on his game. But with that said, I feel he loses to Rigondeaux. Ironically I think Rigo loses to Mares and Mares loses to Donaire. Donaire>Rigo>Mares>Donaire Styles makes fights.

Donaire is similar to his other pinoy companion, Pacquiao where they both strive on fighters bringing the fight to them. That's why he was itching to fight Arce for the longest and why he'd beat Mares. If you look at his fights with Narvrez or Mathebula, he didn't look as good. He even blamed his lack of performance on them being in defensive mode.

Unfortunately for Donaire, while they were in defensive mode, Mathebula was outlanding him 231 punches to Donaire's 151. Narvarez was even up on a good amount of people's scorecards after 5 rounds vs Donaire.
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Nonito has relied heavily on his speed, power, size and footwork to win him a number of fights. Combine that with his counterpunching style, he used his opponent's aggression against them and punched at the openings THEY CREATED. The reason he struggled with Narvrez and Mathebula is because they didn't give Donaire any openings, and Donaire doesn't know how to create them himself. Against Rigo, he'll find this immensely more difficult.

Yes Rigo has a suspect chin (so all the people picking him to lose based off that can shut up now). But that won't matter in this fight. Donaire can knock out any opponent with one shot, but he wasn't able to do it vs Mathebula or Narvrez. Donaire is going to have too hard of a time just trying to hit Rigo.

Rigondeaux is going to go out there and present no openings to Donaire and use his foot/headmovements to avoid anything big from Donaire. Yes Donaire is fast, but he tenses up and loads often with his punches, especially when he's frustrated. Rigondeaux has over 300 fights and can identify these things and anticipate his attacks. While Donaire is leaping forward trying to land his left hook, Rigondeaux is going to be countering him with his famous straight left.
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No fighter in the game today is better at timing the straight left than Rigo and he'll be able to do it every time Donaire tips him off. When Donaire is in front of a defensive fighter, he tends to get very basic. Little feinting, showboating, dropping his hands, no body punching, no jab. The only thing I wonder about in this fight is how Donaire is going to take Rigondeaux's punch. If he tries coming forward and dropping his hands like he did vs Mathebula, then he may get stopped.
IF this fight ever gets made, please put your money where your mouth is. Here in Vegas, it's easy to go to a casino and drop money. Test your knowledge and put some money down
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:35 AM   #65
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I want to see where all these dksab pinoys are gonna hide once Rigo dismantles Nonito . Lmao . Peace .
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:38 AM   #66
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He beats that cow tongue eating....club fighter....because Rigondeaux is the TRUTH.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:12 AM   #67
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Rigondeaux is the best boxer alive but he is alredy 32..Donaire is gonna wait for he to reach 37 like Nishioka?
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:32 AM   #68
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Rigondeaux is the best boxer alive but he is alredy 32..Donaire is gonna wait for he to reach 37 like Nishioka?
They must have so new age super crack in Cuba.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:35 AM   #69
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Rigo is not that hard to hit. He just doesn't open up that much. When he throws his left he drops his right and is wide open for the counter left. Even the bums he's been fighting have been able to see the left coming and counter it. We have no evidence that Rigo is even in the same class as Donaire or Mares. IMO Donaire makes it look easy and KO's Rigo within 4 rounds.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:40 AM   #70
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Here one for you nonito fans do you think rigo can't hurt him to the body think hard before you respond?
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:43 AM   #71
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Here one for you nonito fans do you think rigo can't hurt him to the body think hard before you respond?
Was there a question in there?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:23 PM   #72
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Bump. What'd you think of my response BBall?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:34 PM   #73
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I'm a big fan of Rigo but I just cant see him winning this. Donaire by wide decision or late t/ko.

I can see Rigo going into his shell once he appreciates just how quick Nonito is & how dangerous & complete a puncher he is.

Rigo is good enough to walk Donaire onto a few but I dont think he'll be too keen to let his hands go.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:50 PM   #74
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Bump. What'd you think of my response BBall?
my bad man. I was distracted with all the crybabies last night and the fights.

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Good thread.

I think we have to remember that Donaire was in a rut against Vasquez and Mathebula that showed he was trying to constantly land that one punch. He had a love spell with his power after the Montiel KO made his stock soar, and was neglecting to set up his shots, as you rightly pointed out.

If you look at the Arce fight, even though he was coming forward, Arce was fighting really smart, throwing, ducking the counter, and then coming up to throw again. If Nonito weren't on his game with his footwork and came in trying to slug it out, it would have been much more competitive. Rigo throwing with Donaire is probably better, but Donaire has shown a great ability to stay smart and collect intelligence before landing a bomb soon after.

Making Donaire lead is definitely a way to get him to make mistakes and walk into punches. Rigo is in his element fighting off the back foot or circling to look for that left uppercut to the body or short straight up top. But I think it's more likely that Donaire baits Rigo's counters, and then catches him as he steps in to throw. So instead of Rigo triggering and busting through Donaire's guard because of a wide left, I see Donaire taking a step back and throwing the left at a distance. It will be a battle of feints, and I think Nonito has a lot more experience at that level. Right hands to the body and up top, along with jab-left hook baited counters. Countering Rigo's straight left with an overhand right is another option. If both throw simultaneously, Nonito's power might prove the difference.

Rigo definitely has a shot, so your analysis isn't off, it's a great tactic for him to emphasize. But I think when the fight happens, It's going to look uneventful, and then awkward as Donaire starts to get off first, but not without getting caught from time to time as Rigo potshots defensively, until Rigo runs out of ideas and starts circling all confused (assuming Nonito has taken control by round 8.)
good breakdown, and I agree with a lot of what you said. What has helped Donaire recently is, he doesn't fight as dumb as he did after the Montiel fight. I remember during the Donaire Q&A before the Nishioka fight, he mentioned how he was trying to fight smarter and "get back to his roots"
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And maybe that's what will prove wrong about my analysis. Maybe I'm trying to breakdown the wrong version of Donaire. The only thing is, I'm counting on that version of him (from Navarez to Mathebula) to show up after a few rounds of dull action.

And I think you're right with it being a game of feinting. I was talking with Leon and said Rigo needs to be careful throwing that lazy jab of his vs Donaire. Donaire can easily come over top of it with his hook or fire a straight right with it.
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But what I didn't account for (or I could be over thinking), is Rigo can bait his counter out with that jab and that's why it seems like he's not trying to land with it.
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But like I said, Donaire is an extraordinary fighter. I think what it takes for him to win is easier for him than it is for Rigo. I just feel it's Rigo's focus and execution that will give him the victory.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:26 PM   #75
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my bad man. I was distracted with all the crybabies last night and the fights.


good breakdown, and I agree with a lot of what you said. What has helped Donaire recently is, he doesn't fight as dumb as he did after the Montiel fight. I remember during the Donaire Q&A before the Nishioka fight, he mentioned how he was trying to fight smarter and "get back to his roots"
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And maybe that's what will prove wrong about my analysis. Maybe I'm trying to breakdown the wrong version of Donaire. The only thing is, I'm counting on that version of him (from Navarez to Mathebula) to show up after a few rounds of dull action.

And I think you're right with it being a game of feinting. I was talking with Leon and said Rigo needs to be careful throwing that lazy jab of his vs Donaire. Donaire can easily come over top of it with his hook or fire a straight right with it.
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But what I didn't account for (or I could be over thinking), is Rigo can bait his counter out with that jab and that's why it seems like he's not trying to land with it.
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But like I said, Donaire is an extraordinary fighter. I think what it takes for him to win is easier for him than it is for Rigo. I just feel it's Rigo's focus and execution that will give him the victory.
That was my question

You're right in the sense that the first few rounds, which we both think will lack action, will test Nonito's patience and possibly draw him into leading with power shots and falling for Rigo's traps. But I don't see Rigo having success with the same counters over 12. Donaire will adjust, and start taking away his weapons. The southpaw jab is an interesting factor, should look back at Donaire's tactics against southpaws. Given his fast feet, his side-step left hook combination might catch Rigo. Garcia should find a way to neutralize that left uppercut to the body and straight up top. Rigo is better defensively with his footwork, but Nonito changes the angle more frequently, and I think that will confuse Rigo, who likes to make each punch count.
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