Nonito donaire, a top 50 atg?

anj · 01-27-2013, 05:15 PM

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With a resume like this:

W Yuiriokis Gamboa (Beast)
W Chris John (beat Juan Manuel Marquez arguably)
W Orlando Salido (beat Robert Guerrero and Juanma)
W Mikey Garcia (beat Salido)
W Billy Dib
W Daniel Ponce De Leon (beat Broner arguably)
W Abner Mares (beat the solid Moreno)
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W Jorge Arce
W Toshiaki Nishioka
W Jeffery Mathubela
W Wilfredo Vazquez Jr
W Omar Andres Narvaez
W Fernando Montiel
W Volodymyr Sydorenko
W Hernan Marquez
W Moruti Mthalane
W Luis Maldonado
W Vic Darchinyan
- He dominated virtually every single opponent here in great style.
He would be a 5 weight champion.

Does he have a good shout? If not, where would you put him?
Not interested in responses from those who masturbate EXCESSIVELY over old timers who aren't even that great, and put the likes of Ray Leonard past top 25 for example lol

Nightcrawler · 01-27-2013, 05:17 PM

IF he compiles that resume...fuck yeah. probably. maybe

fighting harada

anj · 01-27-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

IF he compiles that resume...fuck yeah. probably. maybe

fighting harada

His skill level is on a different class to these top fighters.
Nonito's resume is already stacked with LEGIT champions, not phony champs.

Fighting Harada is solid but I'd still have Donaire over Harada.

anj · 01-27-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by orriray59

Billy Dib.

lol I had no comment to support Dib, I know Arum will throw him in with the likes of Dib/Jhonny Gonzalez etc. to get a little more dollar.

Nightcrawler · 01-27-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by orriray59

Billy Dib.

did my post summon the might of FIGHTING HARADA!!!

LittleRed · 01-27-2013, 05:28 PM

Sure. Maybe. Hmm...

Packey McFarland.

anj · 01-27-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

did my post summon the might of FIGHTING HARADA!!!

is Harada a definite Top 50 for you?

Nightcrawler · 01-27-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by anj

His skill level is on a different class to these top fighters.
Nonito's resume is already stacked with LEGIT champions, not phony champs.

Fighting Harada is solid but I'd still have Donaire over Harada.

whose skill is above which fighters? the one's he hasn't faced yet. absolutely agree. very curious how he matches up with garcia and gamboa though.

still his resume would probably well warrant top 50 position. who knows where those fighters will be themselves when they retire?

lora · 01-27-2013, 05:38 PM

That's hardly much of a list of names in and of itself.You can count one hand how many very good prime fighters beaten at their best weightclass are in there, even if he theoretically had them all won right now.

Arce? C'mon maybe nine\ten years ago that would have been a good win..even 5\6 years ago.I didn't check a single thing that anyone was saying in the general on that fight as it held not the least interest as a competitive matchup for me, but surely no one thought it was anything other than a gimme?

If you're asking if having those wins would automatically make him a lock for anyone who cares to venture at top 50 all-time great list? Then i'd say no they should not.

It would be impressive and comparable to various other excellent and great fighters around those weights, especially just for consistently beating who is in front of him and weight jumping(though somewhat diluted by how much easier it his to cut weight now, Donaire was hardly a comfortable natural Fly) if not for having many wins against genuinely really good fighters, but not THAT impressive.

UP93 · 01-27-2013, 05:44 PM

He'd be well above 50 if he compiled that list. As it is he won't get any real big defining fights though, unfortunately.

Nightcrawler · 01-27-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by anj

is Harada a definite Top 50 for you?

it's more than following my post, Orriray came on with a fighting harada avatar. plus, he's the new hipster favourite on here

but harada may skirt the bottom of my top 50

anj · 01-27-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleRed

Sure. Maybe. Hmm...

Packey McFarland.

The guys in my top 50 already

lora · 01-27-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by anj

His skill level is on a different class to these top fighters.
Nonito's resume is already stacked with LEGIT champions, not phony champs.

Fighting Harada is solid but I'd still have Donaire over Harada.

How are we defining a phony champ here?

His record is stacked with mediocre to solid alphabet champs who won and defended titles against a motley assortion of cans, marginal talents and tough journeymen(usually even looking bad against them in the process.

Darchinyan, Sidorenko, Marquez, Mthalane, Montiel, Narvaez, Vasquez jr

A lot of these guys are or were the definition of weak titlists.Even if some had their year or two of hype like Vic and Montiel.

ripcity · 01-27-2013, 06:05 PM

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With a resume like this:

W Yuiriokis Gamboa (Beast)
W Chris John (beat Juan Manuel Marquez arguably)
W Orlando Salido (beat Robert Guerrero and Juanma)
W Mikey Garcia (beat Salido)
W Billy Dib
W Daniel Ponce De Leon (beat Broner arguably)
W Abner Mares (beat the solid Moreno)
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W Jorge Arce
W Toshiaki Nishioka
W Jeffery Mathubela
W Wilfredo Vazquez Jr
W Omar Andres Narvaez
W Fernando Montiel
W Volodymyr Sydorenko
W Hernan Marquez
W Moruti Mthalane
W Luis Maldonado
W Vic Darchinyan
- He dominated virtually every single opponent here in great style.
He would be a 5 weight champion.

Does he have a good shout? If not, where would you put him?
Not interested in responses from those who masturbate EXCESSIVELY over old timers who aren't even that great, and put the likes of Ray Leonard past top 25 for example lol

With a career like the one above. I think he wold be with in the top 50, at least in the conversation.

lora · 01-27-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

it's more than following my post, Orriray came on with a fighting harada avatar. plus, he's the new hipster favourite on here

but harada may skirt the bottom of my top 50

Harada has got a lot of credit and been well respected for at least half a decade on here, ever since the board had any posters who had interest in Fly\bantam really.he was the consensus greatest ever asian until Pac had his success at 140 and 147.Then things got divided.

Not sure i'd consider him a top 50 fighter either, all said, but he's no new flavour of the month.

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lora Fighting Zapata East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,473 vCash: 500	Re: Nonito donaire, a top 50 atg? That's hardly much of a list of names in and of itself.You can count one hand how many very good prime fighters beaten at their best weightclass are in there, even if he theoretically had them all won right now. Arce? C'mon maybe nine\ten years ago that would have been a good win..even 5\6 years ago.I didn't check a single thing that anyone was saying in the general on that fight as it held not the least interest as a competitive matchup for me, but surely no one thought it was anything other than a gimme? If you're asking if having those wins would automatically make him a lock for anyone who cares to venture at top 50 all-time great list? Then i'd say no they should not. It would be impressive and comparable to various other excellent and great fighters around those weights, especially just for consistently beating who is in front of him and weight jumping(though somewhat diluted by how much easier it his to cut weight now, Donaire was hardly a comfortable natural Fly) if not for having many wins against genuinely really good fighters, but not THAT impressive.
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