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Old 01-27-2013, 07:38 PM   #91
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Yeah, you're right. It must be something in the water.

Or genetics. Yeah, that's it. Americans are genetically inferior to Europeans. Oh wait .........
I'd watch where you're going with that if I were you.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:50 PM   #92
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Your retort to me has been ably responded to by another, but here's my shot.

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How many 5'8 147 soccer players are there out there to compete against Mayweather, Bradley, Garcia, Trout, or Broner?

Truth is, if you're a small but very athletic person, boxing is one of the few options you have.
Maradona and Pele are two of the past half centuries ATGs in (world) football. They weren't exactly big men

How many you asked? Someone else ans'd shitloads, which translates to very many
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:13 PM   #93
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Damn... Imagine if all of our football/soccer players were in box insteand, Mexico would be really dominant in the lower weights.

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Old 01-27-2013, 11:20 PM   #94
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imagine if they competed for a prize like all u can eat at burger king for a year. americans would win the tournament
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:23 PM   #95
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37 registered professional heavyweights in the UK
20 registered professional heavyweights in Poland
17 registered professional heavyweights in Russia
15 registered professional heavyweights in Ukraine
5 registered professional heavyweights in Bulgaria
3 registered professional heavyweights in Finland

405 registered professional heavyweights in the USA!!
I am suprised the discrepancy is not wider. It no doubt it was wider when this trend started 10-15 years ago.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:38 PM   #96
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They're playing basketball and Gridiron football now.
As an American I wish I could hide behind that excuse. Problem is, the NFL and NBA has been around for a hundred years. Ouch!!
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:48 AM   #97
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We've already been through this SEVERAL times. Basketball football and baseball are much more lucrative sports. THAT and the fact that as far as I know the only two colleges that offer boxing are Notre Dame and San Diego st. That should tell you something as far as the support boxing gets in America.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:54 AM   #98
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I think the NFL and NBA reason is a poor excuse

both leagues have been around since before the HWT golden era of Ali and US heavies were still good

even in the 90's big men still did these sports and US heavies still were top class

I think the state of US boxing has more to do with the state of boxing than the availability of other sports
It's not a poor excuse. Back in the 60's and 70's football and basketball players weren't making anywhere near what they do now. And baseball? Forget about it.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:46 AM   #99
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at the bitter butthurt Americans.

America isn't the only country on the planet that has other sports you excuse-making crybabies.

All of the ridiculously overrated American champs of the past should have asterisks next to their names because they were really only local champs, not world champs. They never competed against Eastern Europeans, Cubans, Africans, etc. in the pros.

Eastern Europeans are already taking over boxing. We're dominating the higher weight classes and will eventually take over the lower weight classes too. We're also dominating the amatuers. Most of those great amatuers will become great pros. This is just the beginning of the Eastern European domination.

The heavyweight division is better than it's ever been. There are more countries participating than ever before. The Klitschkos have dominated and cleaned out a global heavyweight division. All of the best heavyweights from America, Britain, Eastern Europe, Cuba, Africa, etc. have been defeated by the Klitschkos. The Klitschkos are the two greatest heavyweights of all time. They're real world champs, unlike those disgustingly overrated overhyped American frauds of the past.

Eastern European fighters are superior.

The Klitschkos would dominate any era.
Wait who did Vitali lose to again? chris byrd and lennox, oh yea I'm sure he would dominate any era in boxing
Oh and who did Wladamir lose to? sanders and a shit fighter in brewster, what a force he would be in a pool of talented fighters

Anyways the sport does not appeal to many americans since there are more intelligent paths to take a a large talented athlete, call it being a ***** or what ever, but its that simple. One would have to be a half wit or passionate about the sport of boxing in order to choose it over some college program in football or basketball. What is the argument for that?
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:10 AM   #100
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Vlad won the gold medal, superheavyweight division. He was drugged before the fight against Brewster, but in the rematch stopped him. Vitali put Lewis into retirement, Vlad stopped Rahman who knocked Lewis out cold, not a TKO but a KO and McCall TKO'd Lewis. Vitali broke Lewis' nose with a punch, so according to the Salido fight, it should have been stopped and given to Vitali. Lewis agreed to a rematch, but then backed out for the largest payday in boxing history. Vitali was ahead on the cards. Lewis promoter signaled Lewis' ref to stop the fight or Lewis would have been knocked out.

Face it, Vitali and Vlad are the best fighters in the world today, they beat all the heavyweights and would easily knock SOB Ward out, they would knock Mayweather out, and anyone else in any division. If Ward is the best fighter in the world and the Klitschkos are the worst, they Ward should fight them ASAP! It is be a mismatch, but afterall, Klitschkos are the best in the world in any division. Let's see Ward beat them, they he could claim to be the best, but he has no chance, none at all.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:03 AM   #101
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Vlad won the gold medal, superheavyweight division. He was drugged before the fight against Brewster, but in the rematch stopped him. Vitali put Lewis into retirement, Vlad stopped Rahman who knocked Lewis out cold, not a TKO but a KO and McCall TKO'd Lewis. Vitali broke Lewis' nose with a punch, so according to the Salido fight, it should have been stopped and given to Vitali. Lewis agreed to a rematch, but then backed out for the largest payday in boxing history. Vitali was ahead on the cards. Lewis promoter signaled Lewis' ref to stop the fight or Lewis would have been knocked out.

Face it, Vitali and Vlad are the best fighters in the world today, they beat all the heavyweights and would easily knock SOB Ward out, they would knock Mayweather out, and anyone else in any division. If Ward is the best fighter in the world and the Klitschkos are the worst, they Ward should fight them ASAP! It is be a mismatch, but afterall, Klitschkos are the best in the world in any division. Let's see Ward beat them, they he could claim to be the best, but he has no chance, none at all.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:40 AM   #102
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They're playing NFL and Basketball, because apparently no other countries have sports other than boxing.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:49 AM   #103
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It's not a poor excuse. Back in the 60's and 70's football and basketball players weren't making anywhere near what they do now. And baseball? Forget about it.
How much were boxers making back then? I would assume the salaries and incomes have raised equally.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:01 AM   #104
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you did notice he said best TODAY, right? I didnt see a mention that wlad was the best a decade ago. Wasnt Seinfeld still a number 1 show when wlad fought sanders?
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:04 AM   #105
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Ali & Frazier made 5 million for FOTC back in the day, adjusted for inflation: 59 million.
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