Why Are The US Heavweights So Poor Now?

[tezel8764]

Ali & Frazier made 5 million for FOTC back in the day, adjusted for inflation: 59 million.

[rockybronson]

Cos they is in da ghetto making big g's and shit

[LuckyLuke]

Originally Posted by bballchump11

How many 5'8 147 soccer players are there out there to compete against Mayweather, Bradley, Garcia, Trout, or Broner?

Truth is, if you're a small but very athletic person, boxing is one of the few options you have.

There are many small soccer players. Mostly strikers and middlefield players.
The defenders and goalies are to 99% big guys.

[Absolutely!]

Originally Posted by crazy8s

We've already been through this SEVERAL times. Basketball football and baseball are much more lucrative sports. THAT and the fact that as far as I know the only two colleges that offer boxing are Notre Dame and San Diego st. That should tell you something as far as the support boxing gets in America.

Right, so all the great US heavyweights of the past came through the college system did they? Fucking hell. Now I've heard it all.

[Absolutely!]

Originally Posted by Mr. P Mosh

Damn... Imagine if all of our football/soccer players were in box insteand, Mexico would be really dominant in the lower weights.

At first perhaps, before Spain, Argentina and Brazil caught up.

[sportofkings]

I always find it amusing that the US tries to blame the lack of good heavyweights on more popular sports like American football. Why cant the European's use the excuse of all our athletic big men being in sports like Rugby?

[hoopsman]

Originally Posted by bballchump11

well there you go. The option there is to box or coal mines.
Here the option is to box or play another sport with less corruption, less brain damage and more money and fame

[hoopsman]

Originally Posted by SkittlezTheBest

Lennox Lewis is the only reason for HW'S decline in America because he took the soul from the last generation.. hence effecting this generation.


Lennox Lewis came back from both his defeats to American under dogs and brutally avenged them.

This is sub consciously telling all the young American Heavyweight's 'YOU CAN TAKE ME DOWN, BUT UNLESS YOU KILL ME, I'LL TAKE YOU OUT NEXT TIME'


Lewis was avoided by Bowe'-America's hero. And this is sub consciously telling all the young American Prospects- your #1 hero avoids me . The big bad Brit.


Lewis dominated and beat the shit out of Holyfield and made Holyfield his bitch and was robbed. This is sub consciously telling America's prospects 'See, the only way to avoid defeat is to rob me... there is no longer honor in fighting for America'


Lewis destroyed the biggest prospect of them all Michael Grant.

This is sub consciously telling America's prospects 'see Your #1 dog aint nothing more than a 2 round victim'


Lewis dominated America's last real icon. Mike Tyson.. and this is sub consciously telling America's prospects' stay down, or Lennox will get you'



Lennox Lewis dominated every stupid American, Ukrainian, New Zealander and whatever the fuck country there is.


Lewis made Vitali his bitch and made Vitali bleed like a 3 vagina faggot
Lewis will dominated any era.

Congratulations. You're one of the dumbest fucks, and that's no small achievement, to have ever graced the boards at ESB.

[hoopsman]

Originally Posted by SkittlezTheBest

Shut the fuck up you butt hurt moron.

Now that there is some serious brain power on display.

[Snakefist]

Originally Posted by One Round

They're playing NFL and Basketball, because apparently no other countries have sports other than boxing.

From what I observed, boxing isn't really popular in the inner city or low income areas like it used to be, sure there are fighters at lower weights who are from these areas often, but that has more to do with lack of size. Any person in the inner city, if they had the size and power, would rather play football or basketball, as those two sports are idolized in those area. There was a day when boxing was idolized, back when it was the most popular sport behind horse racing, then emerged as the popular sport. It doesn't have that seem popularity anymore, escaping poverty as a big guy, it would be more profitable to play football or basketball, at least if you can't make it to the NBA or NFL, you can make it through school, doing something you love. It would be better if they had boxing teams in school, honestly.

In any case, boxing is just not that popular anymore. And the heavy's in the past 12 years from America have been terrible, these guys started boxing at age 23. They don't get into boxing young anymore, at least the recent ones havent from America. And if they have, they dont have any power. Last good american Heavy, who wouldve got his ass kicked by the American heavys of the early 90's, was brewster.

[Manning]

Originally Posted by Absolutely!

That's always been the case until now. Suddenly seven foot freaks from the NBA and juiced up muscleheads are seen as potential heavyweight greats being cruelly ripped from our sport by the lure of big money contracts, allowing all the commies to have their fun. Jesus Christ.

Has anyone even seen Frazier try to do anything remotely athletic outside of boxing? Or Foreman?

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From 1.44. This chap would have taken the NFL by storm.

[T.S.]

I guess if Joe Frazier were an up and comer today he'd be a power forward in the NBA

[Absolutely!]

Originally Posted by sportofkings

I always find it amusing that the US tries to blame the lack of good heavyweights on more popular sports like American football. Why cant the European's use the excuse of all our athletic big men being in sports like Rugby?

I'd say more of Europe's big men go into tennis than rugby, given that it's a more widespread sport and a lot less dangerous (and generally a lot better paid). The average tennis player is around six one to six three with a few giants here and there, needs to have incredible explosiveness, stamina and footwork, iron nerves under pressure, and a huge competitive drive to be the best. Sound like good traits for boxing? They sure do to me.

Soccer takes by far the cream of the crop at any weight category though. That's indisputable.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by Absolutely!

Right, so all the great US heavyweights of the past came through the college system did they? Fucking hell. Now I've heard it all.

No, but what you're not understanding is playing football, basketball and baseball gives you a better chance to get in college opening up the doors for more options in life. This is why most parents get their kids started in these sports. Boxing offers no advancement in this country unless you make it big time, and 99.9% never do.

[Absolutely!]

Originally Posted by Manning

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From 1.44. This chap would have taken the NFL by storm.

I was going to post that vid along with the sprint against that NBA guy where he came dead last, but fuck it. Frazier was a fighter, not an athlete. That's something that proponents of this ridiculous argument can't understand.