Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragón, July 31st 1996

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 01:35 PM

Great fight, if a bit of a waltz in spots. Featherweight quarterfinal (meaning a minimum of a bronze medal at stake) at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics.

Significant as it's the last time Mayweather ever tasted victory with the headgear, and the last before his current unbeaten streak of 43-0 began. He would go on to lose a highly controversial decision to Serafim Todorov in the semis, robbed of a rightful Silver medal at the very least and probably a near-certain chance for gold against Somluck Kamsing. Mayweather made his prizefighting debut two months after the Olympics.

Also significant because Aragon is the last person to legitimately knock Mayweather down with a punch (see about 0:56 of R2...Aragon caught Mayweather rushing wildly with a chopping right from the ropes) - unless you count Zab Judah's non-ruled flash drop with a quick right hook resulting in a glove brushing the canvas, or Castillo wrestling him down in the 6th where a grazing body shot may or may not have contributed in tipping him off balance. The 1 official KD on Mayweather's pro resume, against Carlos Hernandez, was the result of injuring his own wrist in the act of throwing and taking a voluntary knee because of the pain. Aragon is the last man to actually crunch him with something flush and upend him. Of course, under amateur rules there is no extra point for a knockdown so it didn't significantly affect the scoring.

Unlike Todorov, Aragon was actually on Mayweather's level. He came within a mere few touches of denying PBF a spot on the podium altogether, in a legitimately close contest - far more so than Mayweather's subsequent dubious loss. Aragon probably could've beaten Todorov or Kamsing himself and it may have been only the dumb luck of Mayweather's presence that kept him from bringing the gold to Cuba. Yeah, yeah - styles make fights...but here's another cliche as riposte: it's about levels.

For perspective, Aragon beat the following boxers who achieved notability as pros: world titlists Joel Casamayor, Robbie Peden (wide), Andre Berto (wide), Vyacheslav Senchenko (wide), and Lukas Konecny (close); onetime ranked contenders Terrance Cauthen, Carlos Navarro, & Euri Gonzalez x2 (once a shutout, and once extremely wide by twenty points); current ranked contenders Yudel Jhonson x4 & Erislandy Lara x4 (all wide); and current unbeaten prospect/contenders Vanes Martirosyan x2 (once wide, once by stoppage) & middleweight Sherzod Husanov x3 (twice wide, once by stoppage).

Total amatuer record of 109-15; 6-2 in the Olympics over two appearances. Silver medalist in Athens '04, twice a gold medalist in world championships, and ten-time Cuban national champ from flyweight all the way to welterweight. He also defeated legendary countryman and 2-time Olympic gold medalist Mario Kindelán, and decorated Russian hero & Val Barker trophy conferee Oleg Saitov.

It's arguable the professional combatants who've troubled Floyd as much as did Aragon when he was a teenager are numerable on one hand.

Damn shame we never saw the Cuban defect and go pro (way too late now; he's pushing forty and hasn't competed in years), although waiting around until age 30 did afford him the opportunity for redemption with that Silver medal in Athens.

IB's RBR scoring (under the now-outmoded amateur system, counting only clean legal blows):

R1 - M A A A M M A M A M A A M M A; 8-7 Aragon. Officially 5-4 Aragon.

R2 - M M A M M A A M M A M M A M M A M M A M M; 14-7 Mayweather. (21-15 overall) Officially 6-2 Mayweather. (10-7 overall)

R3 - M A M A M M A A A M A A ; 7-5 Aragon. (26-22 Mayweather overall). Officially 4-2 Aragon. (12-11 Mayweather overall)

...and yes, I actually score counter jabs on the back foot...if they're clean on target and snapped rather than pushed.

Body shots, too.

Boxed Ears · 01-28-2013, 02:07 PM

I knew it! I fokin' knew it! That bitch is shameless! I told you all he'd fight a nobody now and try to put his coward-ass on PPV with him again! I told you! I told all you Flomo BITCHES!

Edit: Oh, whoops. I misread that completely.

Ripper11 · 01-28-2013, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

I knew it! I fokin' knew it! That bitch is shameless! I told you all he'd fight a nobody now and try to put his coward-ass on PPV with him again! I told you! I told all you Flomo BITCHES!

Edit: Oh, whoops. I misread that completely.

OnePunchKO · 01-28-2013, 02:19 PM

http://www.empireonline.com/images/f.../photos/31.jpg

"That Mayweather!"

RJJFan · 01-28-2013, 02:22 PM

Somluck Kamsing was no pushover. Incredible talent at boxing and MT like Samart Payakaroon. I would have picked him over Floyd at amateur.

OnePunchKO · 01-28-2013, 02:23 PM

Fantastic write up, IB. Will read @ home.

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RJJFan

Somluck Kamsing was no pushover. Incredible talent at boxing and MT like Samart Payakaroon. I would have picked him over Floyd at amateur.

At those particular Summer games, or any time?

How about Aragon vs. Kamsing? (if we take Mayweather completely out of the picture - injury, say...or failure to qualify, or having already turned pro in early 96 or whatever - and assume Aragon somehow got fair scoring against Todorov

)

Chappy112 · 01-28-2013, 02:26 PM

Its crazy watching how much he's evolved into a completely different right, I mean obviously you have a different style in the amateurs because it's a different points system but he's all rushing in wild.

MichiganWarrior · 01-28-2013, 02:26 PM

Floyd also had to pull a miracle out of his ass to beat Augie Sanchez to even make he team right?

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chappy112

Its crazy watching how much he's evolved into a completely different right, I mean obviously you have a different style in the amateurs because it's a different points system but he's all rushing in wild.

At times, but there are elements of techniques he still uses today. You can spot the shoulder roll, jerk-backs, some quick right hand leads, counter hooks on the pivot, etc.

That wild shit is how Aragon floored him. It was partially Mayweather just ricocheting off him like a pinball after running into him, and upon first glance you might think "Oh, their legs got tangled" - but Lorenzo's hatchet right was the direct cause of his fall.

Lesson: Even a very solid chin won't keep you from getting plunked by a well-placed gem from someone educated in how to punch. Mind your D.

jeffjoiner · 01-28-2013, 02:32 PM

I'll watch this later tonight.

Solid post IB.

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MichiganWarrior

Floyd also had to pull a miracle out of his ass to beat Augie Sanchez to even make he team right?

He's been matched tough for over twenty years, and has gone 127-6 in his combined pro/am career. (and really, that should be 128-5...)

Emeritus · 01-28-2013, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

I knew it! I fokin' knew it! That bitch is shameless! I told you all he'd fight a nobody now and try to put his coward-ass on PPV with him again! I told you! I told all you Flomo BITCHES!

Edit: Oh, whoops. I misread that completely.

Look at you......got such a HUGE boner at the mention of Mayweathers name that all the blood drained out from your brain before you typed that retarded message.

Retard!

> Thanks IB I look forward to watching later.

Slickstar · 01-28-2013, 02:49 PM

the first American to beat a Cuban in the Olympics in two decades, the last being SRL

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 02:56 PM

Interesting to note: Aragon took the 1st and 3rd in the view of both the judges and yours truly. So going by rounds instead of total hit-count he bested Mayweather 2:1.

Taking it a step further, if we apply the professional style scoring system it could well be a 30-26 shutout for Aragon! (since Mayweather landed more in the 2nd but did get dropped, making it automatically 10-8 for Aragon)

Clearly this Lorenzo Aragon was one of his generation's most excellent products of the Cuban amateur program. A forgotten stud.

Also impressive is the way he out-muscled Mayweather in the clinches. Mayweather was just a kid, but he was a strapping, athletic, hungry kid.

01-28-2013, 01:35 PM	#1
IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 123,431 vCash: 0	Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragón, July 31st 1996 Great fight, if a bit of a waltz in spots. Featherweight quarterfinal (meaning a minimum of a bronze medal at stake) at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. Significant as it's the last time Mayweather ever tasted victory with the headgear, and the last before his current unbeaten streak of 43-0 began. He would go on to lose a highly controversial decision to Serafim Todorov in the semis, robbed of a rightful Silver medal at the very least and probably a near-certain chance for gold against Somluck Kamsing. Mayweather made his prizefighting debut two months after the Olympics. Also significant because Aragon is the last person to legitimately knock Mayweather down with a punch (see about 0:56 of R2...Aragon caught Mayweather rushing wildly with a chopping right from the ropes) - unless you count Zab Judah's non-ruled flash drop with a quick right hook resulting in a glove brushing the canvas, or Castillo wrestling him down in the 6th where a grazing body shot may or may not have contributed in tipping him off balance. The 1 official KD on Mayweather's pro resume, against Carlos Hernandez, was the result of injuring his own wrist in the act of throwing and taking a voluntary knee because of the pain. Aragon is the last man to actually crunch him with something flush and upend him. Of course, under amateur rules there is no extra point for a knockdown so it didn't significantly affect the scoring. Unlike Todorov, Aragon was actually on Mayweather's level. He came within a mere few touches of denying PBF a spot on the podium altogether, in a legitimately close contest - far more so than Mayweather's subsequent dubious loss. Aragon probably could've beaten Todorov or Kamsing himself and it may have been only the dumb luck of Mayweather's presence that kept him from bringing the gold to Cuba. Yeah, yeah - styles make fights...but here's another cliche as riposte: it's about levels. For perspective, Aragon beat the following boxers who achieved notability as pros: world titlists Joel Casamayor, Robbie Peden (wide), Andre Berto (wide), Vyacheslav Senchenko (wide), and Lukas Konecny (close); onetime ranked contenders Terrance Cauthen, Carlos Navarro, & Euri Gonzalez x2 (once a shutout, and once extremely wide by twenty points); current ranked contenders Yudel Jhonson x4 & Erislandy Lara x4 (all wide); and current unbeaten prospect/contenders Vanes Martirosyan x2 (once wide, once by stoppage) & middleweight Sherzod Husanov x3 (twice wide, once by stoppage). Total amatuer record of 109-15; 6-2 in the Olympics over two appearances. Silver medalist in Athens '04, twice a gold medalist in world championships, and ten-time Cuban national champ from flyweight all the way to welterweight. He also defeated legendary countryman and 2-time Olympic gold medalist Mario Kindelán, and decorated Russian hero & Val Barker trophy conferee Oleg Saitov. It's arguable the professional combatants who've troubled Floyd as much as did Aragon when he was a teenager are numerable on one hand. Damn shame we never saw the Cuban defect and go pro (way too late now; he's pushing forty and hasn't competed in years), although waiting around until age 30 did afford him the opportunity for redemption with that Silver medal in Athens. IB's RBR scoring (under the now-outmoded amateur system, counting only clean legal blows): R1 - M A A A M M A M A M A A M M A; 8-7 Aragon. Officially 5-4 Aragon. R2 - M M A M M A A M M A M M A M M A M M A M M; 14-7 Mayweather. (21-15 overall) Officially 6-2 Mayweather. (10-7 overall) R3 - M A M A M M A A A M A A ; 7-5 Aragon. (26-22 Mayweather overall). Officially 4-2 Aragon. (12-11 Mayweather overall) ...and yes, I actually score counter jabs on the back foot...if they're clean on target and snapped rather than pushed. Body shots, too.
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Boxed Ears Lowering Post Count East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brunoilia, Cyprus Posts: 51,324 vCash: 7400	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 I knew it! I fokin' knew it! That bitch is shameless! I told you all he'd fight a nobody now and try to put his coward-ass on PPV with him again! I told you! I told all you Flomo BITCHES! Edit: Oh, whoops. I misread that completely.
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OnePunchKO Finding Memo (ROIDquez) East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 8,322 vCash: 75	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 http://www.empireonline.com/images/f.../photos/31.jpg "That Mayweather!"
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RJJFan Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,882 vCash: 328	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Somluck Kamsing was no pushover. Incredible talent at boxing and MT like Samart Payakaroon. I would have picked him over Floyd at amateur.
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OnePunchKO Finding Memo (ROIDquez) East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 8,322 vCash: 75	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Fantastic write up, IB. Will read @ home.
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Chappy112 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,039 vCash: 3800	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Its crazy watching how much he's evolved into a completely different right, I mean obviously you have a different style in the amateurs because it's a different points system but he's all rushing in wild.
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jeffjoiner Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Trying to make a dollar Posts: 10,159 vCash: 5174	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 I'll watch this later tonight. Solid post IB.
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Slickstar Crisp This ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,506 vCash: 75	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 the first American to beat a Cuban in the Olympics in two decades, the last being SRL
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IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 123,431 vCash: 0	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Interesting to note: Aragon took the 1st and 3rd in the view of both the judges and yours truly. So going by rounds instead of total hit-count he bested Mayweather 2:1. Taking it a step further, if we apply the professional style scoring system it could well be a 30-26 shutout for Aragon! (since Mayweather landed more in the 2nd but did get dropped, making it automatically 10-8 for Aragon) Clearly this Lorenzo Aragon was one of his generation's most excellent products of the Cuban amateur program. A forgotten stud. Also impressive is the way he out-muscled Mayweather in the clinches. Mayweather was just a kid, but he was a strapping, athletic, hungry kid.
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