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Old 01-27-2013, 05:13 PM   #76
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Default Re: Why Guillermo Rigondeaux beats Nonito Donaire

What's Pacquiao and Marquez got to do with this?

Donaire is in his prime Pacquiao was not.

Marquez is a special fighter Rigondeaux is not
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:19 PM   #77
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That was my question

You're right in the sense that the first few rounds, which we both think will lack action, will test Nonito's patience and possibly draw him into leading with power shots and falling for Rigo's traps. But I don't see Rigo having success with the same counters over 12. Donaire will adjust, and start taking away his weapons. The southpaw jab is an interesting factor, should look back at Donaire's tactics against southpaws. Given his fast feet, his side-step left hook combination might catch Rigo. Garcia should find a way to neutralize that left uppercut to the body and straight up top. Rigo is better defensively with his footwork, but Nonito changes the angle more frequently, and I think that will confuse Rigo, who likes to make each punch count.
sounds like a question you would ask. I'm glad you did though.

and yeah I feel you on that. And I could see that hurting Rigo. Like somebody else mentioned. Donaire can't afford to make a lot of mistakes, but Rigo can't afford to make one.
And I've been looking for the Narvraez fight on youtube, but couldn't find it. I'll try to keep looking on google.



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What's Pacquiao and Marquez got to do with this?

Donaire is in his prime Pacquiao was not.

Marquez is a special fighter Rigondeaux is not
another one?
I didn't use Pac and Marquez's fight as an example. I'm using the punches they threw as an example and it was the best one I could find. A lot of pactards got butthurt, so I switched it to Martinez and Macklin.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:35 PM   #78
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another one?
I didn't use Pac and Marquez's fight as an example. I'm using the punches they threw as an example and it was the best one I could find. A lot of pactards got butthurt, so I switched it to Martinez and Macklin.

Same thing applies- Martinez and Donaire are special fighters- Macklin and Rigondeaux are not
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:13 PM   #79
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Same thing applies- Martinez and Donaire are special fighters- Macklin and Rigondeaux are not
cool. I'm sure after 300+ fights and 2 gold medals, Rigo couldn't time a straight left. It's not like that's his whole game

and I don't like bringing up amateurs, but lets look at special

Olympic Games
Gold 2000 Sydney Bantamweight
Gold 2004 Athens Bantamweight

World Amateur Championships
Gold 2001 Belfast Bantamweight
Gold 2005 Mianyang Bantamweight

Pan American Games
Gold 2003 Santo Domingo Bantamweight

Central American and Caribbean Games
Gold 2006 Cartagena Bantamweight

World Cup
Gold 2002 Astana Bantamweight
Gold 2005 Moscow Bantamweight
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:23 PM   #80
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Default Re: Why Guillermo Rigondeaux beats Nonito Donaire

Kudos for bbchump and bogo for providing insights on both sides of the coin.

Isee were you're coming from chump, it's just that Donaire somehow became a slave of his own power after his destruction of Montiel. When he got his senses back, he went smart and calculating against Nishi and Arce.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:40 PM   #81
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cool. I'm sure after 300+ fights and 2 gold medals, Rigo couldn't time a straight left. It's not like that's his whole game

and I don't like bringing up amateurs, but lets look at special

Olympic Games
Gold 2000 Sydney Bantamweight
Gold 2004 Athens Bantamweight

World Amateur Championships
Gold 2001 Belfast Bantamweight
Gold 2005 Mianyang Bantamweight

Pan American Games
Gold 2003 Santo Domingo Bantamweight

Central American and Caribbean Games
Gold 2006 Cartagena Bantamweight

World Cup
Gold 2002 Astana Bantamweight
Gold 2005 Moscow Bantamweight

Audley Harrison also had an impressive amateur back ground. Just saying
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:06 PM   #82
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cool. I'm sure after 300+ fights and 2 gold medals, Rigo couldn't time a straight left. It's not like that's his whole game

and I don't like bringing up amateurs, but lets look at special

Olympic Games
Gold 2000 Sydney Bantamweight
Gold 2004 Athens Bantamweight

World Amateur Championships
Gold 2001 Belfast Bantamweight
Gold 2005 Mianyang Bantamweight

Pan American Games
Gold 2003 Santo Domingo Bantamweight

Central American and Caribbean Games
Gold 2006 Cartagena Bantamweight

World Cup
Gold 2002 Astana Bantamweight
Gold 2005 Moscow Bantamweight
A grown man beating up 17 year olds.. Rigo's left is wild. Look at his fights. It is fast, but he drops his right and leaves himself open. The cans he has been fighting have been able to time the counter at times. Nonito will time it easily.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:50 PM   #83
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I find it really sad that only 2 people are making intelligent and mature posts in this thread out of 6 pages.

I for one admire Rigondeaux's skills and amateur pedigree. He has really good eye coordination, counter and bodypunching skills along with power to boot. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Rigondeaux can sometimes be lackadasial/too patient while Donaire would occasionally fight down to his opponent's level. However, for me I think Donaire is a much different level of fighter compared to the other fighters that Rigondeaux has faced. He's had some off night performances but most of the time Donaire has performed well against better opponents and his last 2 fights showed that he can still fight very disciplined, which I see him doing against Rigondeaux. I think Donaire is skilled enough to find a way to open up Rigondeaux's tricky defense and be able to win the feinting game as well as beating him to the punch.
Overall I think Donaire is much more well rounded and has had more pro experience against top level fighters (that's not to discredit Rigondeaux) so I would expect him to be the victor. Although I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a tough competitive chess match.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:25 AM   #84
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A grown man beating up 17 year olds.. Rigo's left is wild. Look at his fights. It is fast, but he drops his right and leaves himself open. The cans he has been fighting have been able to time the counter at times. Nonito will time it easily.
A "grown " man beating " kids " ? , lol , Rigondeaux was born in 1981 , you do the maths . Lmao . Peace .
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:35 AM   #85
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Nonita grow some cojones and fight Rigondeaux , you wasted 2012 fighting names already past their primes and together with that gangster Arum conned your way to a 2012 " Fighter of the year " award , stop running and stop with those excuses that only your retarded pinoys fans believe . ! It's time to man up ! .please don't waste another year . Lol . Peace .
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:44 AM   #86
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Here one for you nonito fans do you think rigo can't hurt him to the body think hard before you respond?
Here's one for you all Nonita fans : do you think Rigo can't hurt him with those bodyshots ? , ( think long and hard before your response ) . Lmao ,
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:42 PM   #88
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Rigo is "ice" to Nonito's "fire".....but I think Nonito's a perfect blend of skill, speed and power that would overcome any technical advantages that the Cuban AM Legend has.

Given Nonito is faster and more powerful the big question is....how much better is Rig as a boxer than Nonito, if at all? For me I think Rig is a slightly better defensive boxer than Nonito...who isn't really defensive at all. Nonito's style is one who's foundation is that of an offensive fighter.

Nonito gets tagged more simply because he's more of an aggressive fighter who can counter and play defense but likes to attack. Rig is on who likes to lay back, set traps and capitalize when opportunities present themselves.

Nonito and Rig are both very polished fighters who are at the peak of their careers. Nonito is younger...has more professional experience at the elite level where Rig has a bunch of international AM experience...but only a handful of pro bouts. That's a big difference.

I got Nonito beating Rig fairly one sided....a lot will have to do with the experience factor but most of the outcome will be based on the styelistic match up that favors Nonito.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:40 PM   #89
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I think Donaire could starch Rigo with one punch with either hand, but he simply doesn't throw enough punches. Swarmers are going to give Rigo trouble, not people who stay outside and try to pick shots. I think Mares would beat Rigo for reason.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:19 PM   #90
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I think Donaire could starch Rigo with one punch with either hand, but he simply doesn't throw enough punches. Swarmers are going to give Rigo trouble, not people who stay outside and try to pick shots. I think Mares would beat Rigo for reason.

Do you favor Rigo?
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