Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragón, July 31st 1996 - Page 2

Divi253 · 01-28-2013, 02:57 PM

Appreciate this IB! Will have to watch both videos on lunch or something, but wanted to see the knockdown. Timing and balance, so important. Shows you that even the best will get dropped if caught right, especially rushing in.

Slickstar · 01-28-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Interesting to note: Aragon took the 1st and 3rd in the view of both the judges and yours truly. So going by rounds instead of total hit-count he bested Mayweather 2:1.

Taking it a step further, if we apply the professional style scoring system it could well be a 30-26 shutout for Aragon! (since Mayweather landed more in the 2nd but did get dropped, making it automatically 10-8 for Aragon)

Clearly this Lorenzo Aragon was one of his generation's most excellent products of the Cuban amateur program. A forgotten stud.

Also impressive is the way he out-muscled Mayweather in the clinches. Mayweather was just a kid, but he was a strapping, athletic, hungry kid.

Were there any people angry about this fight's decision?

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

the first American to beat a Cuban in the Olympics in two decades, the last being SRL

That was a big deal at the time. Ray Leonard beat Andres Aldama in '76 and the ensuing 20-year drought was broken by Mayweather edging Aragon. (who damn near kept it going)

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

Were there any people angry about this fight's decision?

Nah. It was seen as a close call but clearly belonging to PBF under the existing rule set.

He clocked more than Aragon no matter how you tally (whether ignoring jabs and body shots like the judges did, or including them like me)

Dipset · 01-28-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MichiganWarrior

Floyd also had to pull a miracle out of his ass to beat Augie Sanchez to even make he team right?

I have that fight the second eliminator was classic Floyd killed it that shoulder roll was beautiful he was so skinny back than...how quickly they grow

Ripper11 · 01-28-2013, 03:55 PM

Floyd adpated right away in that 2nd round and brought the fight to him. It reminded me a lot of Errol Spence Jr. in these past Olympics how he would fight.

His fight is first

edit: I'm rewatching the fight now. I forgot how bad of a robbery it was

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnePunchKO

http://www.empireonline.com/images/f.../photos/31.jpg

"That Mayweather!"

Mayweather is Aragon's Olog-Hai.

Nonito Smoak · 01-28-2013, 04:37 PM

This is good stuff.

Pimp C · 01-28-2013, 04:43 PM

Good stuff IB thanks for posting.

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

Were there any people angry about this fight's decision?

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Nah. It was seen as a close call but clearly belonging to PBF under the existing rule set.

He clocked more than Aragon no matter how you tally (whether ignoring jabs and body shots like the judges did, or including them like me)

Now, Mayweather vs. Todorov...

There was outrage. There were resignations from AIBA.

Mayweather outlanded Todorov by double.

Aragon came much closer to deserving a W over young Pretty Boy than Todorov did. If he got the nod, it would have raised eyebrows but not caused an uproar.

It's too bad Aragon never met Todorov in the ring. I think in this particular instance something akin to ABC logic would've borne out: h2h, the guy who fought Mayweather razor-thin beats the guy who deserved a wide loss. Aragon simply possessed the build, strength and style to clearly beat Todorov (as Mayweather did, although he regrettably wasn't rewarded duly for it)

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 05:16 PM

IB Funfact: it would currently be legal in a majority of states in America to engage in consensual sex with someone conceived the night Mayweather fought Aragon. (in others, legal as of this May...and in those left over, May of 2014)

crimson · 01-28-2013, 05:23 PM

Nice thread.

tliang1000 · 01-28-2013, 05:26 PM

mark for later.

raichu · 01-28-2013, 05:33 PM

some damn good information right there.

wish he won gold, and Roy,

Damn racist currupt judges.

I wish i knew to watch him back then, but i was a kid, wonder if i seen him, olympics must of been on my tele.

i remember first hearing his name in 2004/5, when he walked through gatti. it was about fighting ricky hatton, around that time, i thought hatton was to much for him LOL embarrassing. Mayweather - Hatton one of the best events of recent times. USA vs UK. The fans make events.

IntentionalButt · 01-28-2013, 05:41 PM

Poor VHS quality, but here's a look at Lorenzo "The Barbarian" Aragón schooling then-U.S. national welterweight champion (and the previous year's national Golden Gloves champ) Anthony "The Messenger" Thompson five years later in the 2001 world championship finals:

If the name sounds familiar - from his 2002 debut until 2004, Thompson was considered one to watch & hot-list until he ran into sporadic upset specialist Grady "Bad Boy" Brewer. Even after Brewer knocked him out he was groomed for a world title shot against Sergiy Dzinziruk, but those plans were dashed by Yuri Foreman in a close brawl on the Cotto vs. Judah PPV undercard.

So, legit talent - especially before making the jump.

Aragón casually whipped that ass.

Any time Anthony wasn't holding, life was painful for him.

El Barbaro could execute pull-counters damn near as smoothly as his old rival from Atlanta.

01-28-2013, 02:57 PM	#16
Divi253 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 7,165 vCash: 9062	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Appreciate this IB! Will have to watch both videos on lunch or something, but wanted to see the knockdown. Timing and balance, so important. Shows you that even the best will get dropped if caught right, especially rushing in.
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01-28-2013, 03:55 PM	#21
Ripper11 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,217 vCash: 0	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Floyd adpated right away in that 2nd round and brought the fight to him. It reminded me a lot of Errol Spence Jr. in these past Olympics how he would fight. His fight is first edit: I'm rewatching the fight now. I forgot how bad of a robbery it was Last edited by Ripper11; 01-28-2013 at 04:06 PM.
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Nonito Smoak Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 9,259 vCash: 0	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 This is good stuff.
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Pimp C I Ain't Got No Worries East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 36,237 vCash: 75	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Good stuff IB thanks for posting.
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IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 123,310 vCash: 0	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 IB Funfact: it would currently be legal in a majority of states in America to engage in consensual sex with someone conceived the night Mayweather fought Aragon. (in others, legal as of this May...and in those left over, May of 2014)
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crimson Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,132 vCash: 500	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Nice thread.
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tliang1000 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,065 vCash: 79444	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 mark for later.
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raichu Nucking Futs ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,791 vCash: 500	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragón, July 31st 1996 some damn good information right there. wish he won gold, and Roy, Damn racist currupt judges. I wish i knew to watch him back then, but i was a kid, wonder if i seen him, olympics must of been on my tele. i remember first hearing his name in 2004/5, when he walked through gatti. it was about fighting ricky hatton, around that time, i thought hatton was to much for him LOL embarrassing. Mayweather - Hatton one of the best events of recent times. USA vs UK. The fans make events.
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01-28-2013, 05:41 PM	#30
IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 123,310 vCash: 0	Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Lorenzo Aragon, July 31st 1996 Poor VHS quality, but here's a look at Lorenzo "The Barbarian" Aragón schooling then-U.S. national welterweight champion (and the previous year's national Golden Gloves champ) Anthony "The Messenger" Thompson five years later in the 2001 world championship finals: If the name sounds familiar - from his 2002 debut until 2004, Thompson was considered one to watch & hot-list until he ran into sporadic upset specialist Grady "Bad Boy" Brewer. Even after Brewer knocked him out he was groomed for a world title shot against Sergiy Dzinziruk, but those plans were dashed by Yuri Foreman in a close brawl on the Cotto vs. Judah PPV undercard. So, legit talent - especially before making the jump. Aragón casually whipped that ass. Any time Anthony wasn't holding, life was painful for him. El Barbaro could execute pull-counters damn near as smoothly as his old rival from Atlanta.
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