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Old 01-26-2013, 08:19 AM   #46
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Also worth remembering that some of those fights havn't even been signed yet.
You mean Frampton-Quigg hasn't been agreed yet?

Ah well.At least we've got Mayweather-Martinez next weekend to look forward to.


And I should have said "we would" instead of "we should" so I can see where you got it from.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:41 PM   #47
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I think it's a case of many fans hoping that the PPV won't be a gigantic rip-off. You can't ignore that the main event is costing 4m approximately. We know Eddie's not covering that with ticket sales, hence the PPV.

But he doesn't keep that much of the 15 - only around 3 or something, so I haven't a clue how he's going to put on a solid card without running serious losses - which is just so wrong-headed for a "ppv-quality" fight.
the promoter takes 50%. that was Hayemakers deal at least.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:48 PM   #48
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You mean Frampton-Quigg hasn't been agreed yet?

Ah well.At least we've got Mayweather-Martinez next weekend to look forward to.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:04 PM   #49
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the promoter takes 50%. that was Hayemakers deal at least.
But the Haye deal was seen by Sky as a mistake. It hadn't expected the fight would sell so well and lost a huge chunk of revenue. I don't think it was 50% either, I'm pretty sure Haye got 5 per sale. Either way, a significant amount.

Hatton did that when he fought Mayweather and Pac, as far as I know. But then, we're talking a different planet in terms of revenue - even half of what Hatton was bringing in was monstrous.

Sky isn't looking at making that sort of cash out of this fight, so Eddie won't get the same deal. Like I say, he'll be lucky to get 3 a sale.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:56 PM   #50
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But the Haye deal was seen by Sky as a mistake. It hadn't expected the fight would sell so well and lost a huge chunk of revenue. I don't think it was 50% either, I'm pretty sure Haye got 5 per sale. Either way, a significant amount.

Hatton did that when he fought Mayweather and Pac, as far as I know. But then, we're talking a different planet in terms of revenue - even half of what Hatton was bringing in was monstrous.

Sky isn't looking at making that sort of cash out of this fight, so Eddie won't get the same deal. Like I say, he'll be lucky to get 3 a sale.
For somebody that is so hot on posters backing things up with credible information, you did a great job at pulling 3 out of your arse.

I will refer back to the email I received this week from somebody who reads these forums that told me "That DFTaylor doesn't have a clue what he is talking about when it comes to TV"
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:11 PM   #51
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For somebody that is so hot on posters backing things up with credible information, you did a great job at pulling 3 out of your arse.

I will refer back to the email I received this week from somebody who reads these forums that told me "That DFTaylor doesn't have a clue what he is talking about when it comes to TV"
WOW! An unattributed person who emailed you sharing an opinion based on ****-all knowledge of me or TV. You, Rob, have often claimed insight into the sport and the TV world. What is it you do again?

I don't work for Sky or in the broadcast industry, but luckily for me one of its ex-marketing managers is in my team. So I asked her what the standard deal on a PPV is and that was the number she gave - she worked on the promotion of Hatton-Maywether, FYI. It's also based on what Haye reportedly took from the Valuev PPV. You said that was 50%, which knowing Sky's business model seems very high. That's fine - neither of us has a confirmed source - I'm open-minded on it.

Unfortunately for you, I actually do work in marketing and communications, alongside people who have worked for Sky, WB, Virgin, BBC, ITV, STV, the Mirror, the NOTW, etc. And I talk to them about this stuff all the time and constantly need to know what's going on - otherwise my consultancy in my role would be worthless.

Once again, what is it you do?
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:24 PM   #52
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For somebody that is so hot on posters backing things up with credible information, you did a great job at pulling 3 out of your arse.

I will refer back to the email I received this week from somebody who reads these forums that told me "That DFTaylor doesn't have a clue what he is talking about when it comes to TV"
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:02 AM   #53
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You're right. Why fight Bika in London on an undercard when he can sell what 20k (?) tickets in Montreal. Bika-Bute is a good main event for the Canadian crowd. We might see this on the same night.

Just thinking out loud but isn't there talk of HBO/Showtime being interested in Froch/Kessler? Then maybe Froch/Kessler would be on a US friendly time and on the same PPV as a Bika/Bute fight. A split venue USA PPV if you will
No way will this sell on a PPV basis in North America.It would have to be an afternoon fight if Froch is being carried live from the UK.Afternoon fights will not sell here.It would have to be carried by an HBO broadcast and with a replay again later that same day in the evening-but they wont throw big bucks at this promotion.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:33 PM   #54
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WOW! An unattributed person who emailed you sharing an opinion based on ****-all knowledge of me or TV. You, Rob, have often claimed insight into the sport and the TV world. What is it you do again?

I don't work for Sky or in the broadcast industry, but luckily for me one of its ex-marketing managers is in my team. So I asked her what the standard deal on a PPV is and that was the number she gave - she worked on the promotion of Hatton-Maywether, FYI. It's also based on what Haye reportedly took from the Valuev PPV. You said that was 50%, which knowing Sky's business model seems very high. That's fine - neither of us has a confirmed source - I'm open-minded on it.

Unfortunately for you, I actually do work in marketing and communications, alongside people who have worked for Sky, WB, Virgin, BBC, ITV, STV, the Mirror, the NOTW, etc. And I talk to them about this stuff all the time and constantly need to know what's going on - otherwise my consultancy in my role would be worthless.

Once again, what is it you do?
you make cups of tea for the sub editors at a local newspaper. stop talking shit.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:54 PM   #55
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No way will this sell on a PPV basis in North America.It would have to be an afternoon fight if Froch is being carried live from the UK.Afternoon fights will not sell here.It would have to be carried by an HBO broadcast and with a replay again later that same day in the evening-but they wont throw big bucks at this promotion.
I said a US friendly time meaning the fight would take place very late UK time just like Froch/Dirrell, Haye/Maccarinelli. So that way the two fights could run close together.
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